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Philly d wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:01 am

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:45 am DiChiara was probably born and raised on the same block as the location of his social club. I have in my notes that he was apprehended back in 1970 and indicted on hijacking charges. His address at that time was listed at 40 Monroe Street, NY.

He came up under the Joe "Beck" Lapi/George Filippone/Louis Gaccione/Rosario Gangi crew, a Genovese crew very active on lower Manhattan. Lapi took over from Saro Mogavero in or around 1974. DiChiara was probably made in the late 1980s. Some of the crew members were (at various times) Ernest Butchie Montevecchi, Frank Vispisiano (known to the police as a hitman), Salvatore Gencarelli, Mike Clemente (who in the 1970s reported directly to Tieri), Joe Agone, Anthony Albanese, Philip Albanese, Sammy Aparo, Joe Calabro, Frank Caruso, Charlie Coppolino, Joe Mogavero, Sal DeMeo, Angelo Lapi, Joseph Zito (who was moved to be under Vincent Gigante in 1980 but later transfered back to this crew) and others. The crew was heavily involved with drug trafficking in the 1950s and 1960s. But also (with the Lanza crew) had a grip on the Fulton Fish Market way back.

In the 1970s, the crew had a hook on John Albert, a notorious toxic waste dumper. According to an investigation, Albert met weekly with members of the crew and delivered money(at least 3,000 dollars) to them.

How's Matty the Horse's crew fit in. I thought that was Gangi's crew.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:56 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:54 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:44 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:22 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:27 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:57 am Not sure about the relation (Elio and the Albaneses mentioned above). Elio was born in 1950 so cant do the needed research by using NY census (the 1950 NY census is not available on the net yet). However, Elio was part of another smaller crew, with Carmine Russo' and the Romanos. These guys were under Harry Lanza/Toddo Marino/Tommy Conrtaldo and Malangone. This crew was also around Knickerbocker Village and also had a grip on the FFM.

the ny times picture of elio and carmine russo selling fireworks to kids is hilarious. not to mention them trying to rob the payroll of that very newspaper. seemed like a real grimey crew of guys

Can you kindly post the picture?

Cheers

its from an old NYT article about the discrepancy in incomes in LCN, and how theres a typical class system in LCN - just like in "regular" life. even within the same crime family there is a huge disparity.

the article's made its rounds on the forums im sure, but here it is:

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/nyregion/10mob.html

i liked the parts on the article specifically about this Genovese crew, because we tend to think of them as a step above the rest, and more advanced...just outright better than the other 4 families. but they're what...arguably 200 members deep? its probably safe to say that over half of them are guys just like this, low down knuckle dragging thugs living score-to-score.

even anthony antico who was a member of their administration got caught up on the phone instructing his crew members to home invasion rob some poor guy who won a big bet at the horse track

imagine being 70 years old stuck in brooklyn or stuck in some rent controlled apartment downtown, plotting armed robberies to make ends meet. while a guy 25 years younger than you from your same induction ceremony is running contracting companies, partners in all sorts of business, etc.. LMAO. seems like a rough life for a lot of these guys, even the Genovese

I think the class system in the LCN is certainly true. However, as I've mentioned before, I think most mob guys seem to be more or less middle class. A minority on either end of the spectrum are wealthy or brokesters. So even the Genovese family, long said to be the richest family, will have guys like this.

But I don't think we should assume Antico ordered the Antonelli robbery to make ends meet. It was reportedly repercussion for Antonelli not paying tribute for the privilege of selling jems and watches in Antico's social club. And I suspect a piece of the $1.6 million Antonelli won was a tempting target.

the antonelli robbery was different from the $1.6 million horse player guy. the horse guy was from Brooklyn and was 'friends' with Ralph Lento (afaik a Lucchese solider, but was working with Antico on this specific score) and another Genovese soldier from Bay Ridge whos name i do not recall. Lento and the Genovese guy had met the winner at the old Bay Ridge OTB and brought the robbery idea to Antico, who then later kept pressing for it.

the antonellli robbery actually happened, but to quote Albert Barese the horse better robbery "died on the vine"

more details here ...cross examination of one of this forum's favorites, Michael DiLeonardo, at Antico's trial. its a shame the document cuts off and is short...its just as interesting as DiLeonardo's other big trial transcript from one of the Gotti trials:

http://www.kccba.org/wp-content/uploads ... cMahon.pdf

in Anticos defense on this one, he did just get out of jail and probably needed the money.

i wonder if at this time the guy Ralph Lento was a Genovese associate but later on ended up being made with the Luccheses (i think he was in whatever crew John Cerella or Joe Caridi ran)

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:45 am DiChiara was probably born and raised on the same block as the location of his social club. I have in my notes that he was apprehended back in 1970 and indicted on hijacking charges. His address at that time was listed at 40 Monroe Street, NY.

He came up under the Joe "Beck" Lapi/George Filippone/Louis Gaccione/Rosario Gangi crew, a Genovese crew very active on lower Manhattan. Lapi took over from Saro Mogavero in or around 1974. DiChiara was probably made in the late 1980s. Some of the crew members were (at various times) Ernest Butchie Montevecchi, Frank Vispisiano (known to the police as a hitman), Salvatore Gencarelli, Mike Clemente (who in the 1970s reported directly to Tieri), Joe Agone, Anthony Albanese, Philip Albanese, Sammy Aparo, Joe Calabro, Frank Caruso, Charlie Coppolino, Joe Mogavero, Sal DeMeo, Angelo Lapi, Joseph Zito (who was moved to be under Vincent Gigante in 1980 but later transfered back to this crew) and others. The crew was heavily involved with drug trafficking in the 1950s and 1960s. But also (with the Lanza crew) had a grip on the Fulton Fish Market way back.

In the 1970s, the crew had a hook on John Albert, a notorious toxic waste dumper. According to an investigation, Albert met weekly with members of the crew and delivered money(at least 3,000 dollars) to them.

givememysocks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:16 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:35 pm Pic of the year ( ), though seriously, this is the best pic I've seen in a long long time.

Sincere thanks GMMS.

Any idea of date?

Judging by the camera the guy in the pic is holding and the cars in the background, I would say early 70s. Im not 100% sure though. Ive got a few more pics of him that I havent gotten around to posting yet.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:35 pm Pic of the year ( ), though seriously, this is the best pic I've seen in a long long time.

Sincere thanks GMMS.

Any idea of date?

givememysocks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:41 pm

Pic of pete on Monroe Street. Isnt his club right around the corner?

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:02 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:56 pmthe antonelli robbery was different from the $1.6 million horse player guy. the horse guy was from Brooklyn and was 'friends' with Ralph Lento (afaik a Lucchese solider, but was working with Antico on this specific score) and another Genovese soldier from Bay Ridge whos name i do not recall. Lento and the Genovese guy had met the winner at the old Bay Ridge OTB and brought the robbery idea to Antico, who then later kept pressing for it.

the antonellli robbery actually happened, but to quote Albert Barese the horse better robbery "died on the vine"

more details here ...cross examination of one of this forum's favorites, Michael DiLeonardo, at Antico's trial. its a shame the document cuts off and is short...its just as interesting as DiLeonardo's other big trial transcript from one of the Gotti trials:

http://www.kccba.org/wp-content/uploads ... cMahon.pdf

in Anticos defense on this one, he did just get out of jail and probably needed the money.

i wonder if at this time the guy Ralph Lento was a Genovese associate but later on ended up being made with the Luccheses (i think he was in whatever crew John Cerella or Joe Caridi ran)

Oh that's right, the race winner was Mario Gulinello and they were going to extort him.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:56 pmthe antonelli robbery was different from the $1.6 million horse player guy. the horse guy was from Brooklyn and was 'friends' with Ralph Lento (afaik a Lucchese solider, but was working with Antico on this specific score) and another Genovese soldier from Bay Ridge whos name i do not recall. Lento and the Genovese guy had met the winner at the old Bay Ridge OTB and brought the robbery idea to Antico, who then later kept pressing for it.

the antonellli robbery actually happened, but to quote Albert Barese the horse better robbery "died on the vine"

more details here ...cross examination of one of this forum's favorites, Michael DiLeonardo, at Antico's trial. its a shame the document cuts off and is short...its just as interesting as DiLeonardo's other big trial transcript from one of the Gotti trials:

http://www.kccba.org/wp-content/uploads ... cMahon.pdf

in Anticos defense on this one, he did just get out of jail and probably needed the money.

i wonder if at this time the guy Ralph Lento was a Genovese associate but later on ended up being made with the Luccheses (i think he was in whatever crew John Cerella or Joe Caridi ran)

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:54 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:44 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:22 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:27 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:57 am Not sure about the relation (Elio and the Albaneses mentioned above). Elio was born in 1950 so cant do the needed research by using NY census (the 1950 NY census is not available on the net yet). However, Elio was part of another smaller crew, with Carmine Russo' and the Romanos. These guys were under Harry Lanza/Toddo Marino/Tommy Conrtaldo and Malangone. This crew was also around Knickerbocker Village and also had a grip on the FFM.

the ny times picture of elio and carmine russo selling fireworks to kids is hilarious. not to mention them trying to rob the payroll of that very newspaper. seemed like a real grimey crew of guys

Can you kindly post the picture?

Cheers

its from an old NYT article about the discrepancy in incomes in LCN, and how theres a typical class system in LCN - just like in "regular" life. even within the same crime family there is a huge disparity.

the article's made its rounds on the forums im sure, but here it is:

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/nyregion/10mob.html

i liked the parts on the article specifically about this Genovese crew, because we tend to think of them as a step above the rest, and more advanced...just outright better than the other 4 families. but they're what...arguably 200 members deep? its probably safe to say that over half of them are guys just like this, low down knuckle dragging thugs living score-to-score.

even anthony antico who was a member of their administration got caught up on the phone instructing his crew members to home invasion rob some poor guy who won a big bet at the horse track

imagine being 70 years old stuck in brooklyn or stuck in some rent controlled apartment downtown, plotting armed robberies to make ends meet. while a guy 25 years younger than you from your same induction ceremony is running contracting companies, partners in all sorts of business, etc.. LMAO. seems like a rough life for a lot of these guys, even the Genovese

I think the class system in the LCN is certainly true. However, as I've mentioned before, I think most mob guys seem to be more or less middle class. A minority on either end of the spectrum are wealthy or brokesters. So even the Genovese family, long said to be the richest family, will have guys like this.

But I don't think we should assume Antico ordered the Antonelli robbery to make ends meet. It was reportedly repercussion for Antonelli not paying tribute for the privilege of selling jems and watches in Antico's social club. And I suspect a piece of the $1.6 million Antonelli won was a tempting target.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:44 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:22 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:27 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:57 am Not sure about the relation (Elio and the Albaneses mentioned above). Elio was born in 1950 so cant do the needed research by using NY census (the 1950 NY census is not available on the net yet). However, Elio was part of another smaller crew, with Carmine Russo' and the Romanos. These guys were under Harry Lanza/Toddo Marino/Tommy Conrtaldo and Malangone. This crew was also around Knickerbocker Village and also had a grip on the FFM.

the ny times picture of elio and carmine russo selling fireworks to kids is hilarious. not to mention them trying to rob the payroll of that very newspaper. seemed like a real grimey crew of guys

Can you kindly post the picture?

Cheers

its from an old NYT article about the discrepancy in incomes in LCN, and how theres a typical class system in LCN - just like in "regular" life. even within the same crime family there is a huge disparity.

the article's made its rounds on the forums im sure, but here it is:

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/nyregion/10mob.html

i liked the parts on the article specifically about this Genovese crew, because we tend to think of them as a step above the rest, and more advanced...just outright better than the other 4 families. but they're what...arguably 200 members deep? its probably safe to say that over half of them are guys just like this, low down knuckle dragging thugs living score-to-score.

even anthony antico who was a member of their administration got caught up on the phone instructing his crew members to home invasion rob some poor guy who won a big bet at the horse track

imagine being 70 years old stuck in brooklyn or stuck in some rent controlled apartment downtown, plotting armed robberies to make ends meet. while a guy 25 years younger than you from your same induction ceremony is running contracting companies, partners in all sorts of business, etc.. LMAO. seems like a rough life for a lot of these guys, even the Genovese

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:22 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:27 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:57 am Not sure about the relation (Elio and the Albaneses mentioned above). Elio was born in 1950 so cant do the needed research by using NY census (the 1950 NY census is not available on the net yet). However, Elio was part of another smaller crew, with Carmine Russo' and the Romanos. These guys were under Harry Lanza/Toddo Marino/Tommy Conrtaldo and Malangone. This crew was also around Knickerbocker Village and also had a grip on the FFM.

the ny times picture of elio and carmine russo selling fireworks to kids is hilarious. not to mention them trying to rob the payroll of that very newspaper. seemed like a real grimey crew of guys

Can you kindly post the picture?

Cheers