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Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by SonnyBlackstein » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:39 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:14 pm i still wonder if induction lists get passed around today in 2019. i remember it was somewhat happening in the mid 2000s but we're a long way from those times in every single sense.
Chin’s son Esposito was caught with a (likely) induction list. And he was only (relatively) recently caught.

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by newera_212 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:14 pm

yeah i can imagine in functions in the sense that the guys are all keeping eachother in the loop, but theres probably not the roundtable meetings in clandestine locations where they're voting on issues or anything like that. i doubt they'd have to get outright approval to install a new boss from other families since things move and change so fast today. maybe in this case since there was a possibility of "factions" forming, and on one side you had an older guy who has been around a while, other families were told just to see who their admin would support in a split

id also imagine a lot of the guys who've been around a while loosely know or know of eachother just from being on the scene, and they talk about whats going on. i remember reading when Gioeli was upped to Acting Boss of the Colombos, he met with Sal Vitale more as friends, two guys shooting the shit, and was telling him about it.

i still wonder if induction lists get passed around today in 2019. i remember it was somewhat happening in the mid 2000s but we're a long way from those times in every single sense.

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by CabriniGreen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:39 am

@slim

That's why I speculate, based on recent info coming to light.... that it kinda functions informally...

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by slimshady_007 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:26 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:30 am A Few things here.....

1. Someone in here ask why Cammarano was so hands on.....

I think he was consolidating power. So he felt he had to be "on the scene " so to speak. As a new leader, he probably felt he COULDNT be too aloof from the troops. Lest he lose influence to the other faction.

The part where it says he told family members who borrowed money, they didn't have to pay back the interest.... That's a very " Chin" -like, VERY Machiavellian move there... Essentially buying influence, almost like he bought his votes... Reminded me of the first episode of the Borgias, lol

Especially since someone was shelved, for stealing from the family fund.....


2. There Might not be a formal acknowledgement of the Commision, but I think it essentially functions in NY.

3. The Gambinos and Bonnanos, seem as tight today as the Westside and Luchesses were..( maybe they still are...)

4. Why annual payments? Just curious.....

5. I'm kinda surprised they aren't directing marijuana grow ops....
I wonder why they told the westside about the new bonanno leadership. Is it mandatory that a family has to receive approval from the commission if they want to install a new boss?

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by CabriniGreen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:42 am

Like, they met with the Westside, telling them their new Administration, so how do the initiation vetting process go?

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by CabriniGreen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:32 am

Ooh, another thing.....

On the membership purchase.... How do these get vetted? Seriously..... Like.... Why does no one protest, or make a beef?

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by CabriniGreen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:30 am

A Few things here.....

1. Someone in here ask why Cammarano was so hands on.....

I think he was consolidating power. So he felt he had to be "on the scene " so to speak. As a new leader, he probably felt he COULDNT be too aloof from the troops. Lest he lose influence to the other faction.

The part where it says he told family members who borrowed money, they didn't have to pay back the interest.... That's a very " Chin" -like, VERY Machiavellian move there... Essentially buying influence, almost like he bought his votes... Reminded me of the first episode of the Borgias, lol

Especially since someone was shelved, for stealing from the family fund.....


2. There Might not be a formal acknowledgement of the Commision, but I think it essentially functions in NY.

3. The Gambinos and Bonnanos, seem as tight today as the Westside and Luchesses were..( maybe they still are...)

4. Why annual payments? Just curious.....

5. I'm kinda surprised they aren't directing marijuana grow ops....

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by Philly d » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:00 am

Eld wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:28 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:38 pm Also interesting how George Tropiano was a Colombo Associate before being released to the Bonannos. So he is almost certainly related the former Colombo members George and Ralph Tropiano.


Pogo
Bonanno Family member Louis Civello extorted approximately $10,000 in protection money from a strip club in Suffolk County on Long Island on a yearly basis. Tropiano was responsible for collecting the payments
Louis Civello is also a former Colombo associate (as of 1992), and with Tropiano and Civello being intertwined it's possible they left the Colombo family at the same time/for the same reason. Additionaly Ernest Montevecchi started out as an Bonanno associate, leaving for the Genovese family sometime after the late 1960s.
Do you know anything more Louie?

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:19 am

Can anyone repost the link to see what year Tommy Carruba bought his membership? Thanks.


Pogo

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by Philly d » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:05 pm

Does anyone know the address of the Covington club ?

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by Eld » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:28 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:38 pm Also interesting how George Tropiano was a Colombo Associate before being released to the Bonannos. So he is almost certainly related the former Colombo members George and Ralph Tropiano.


Pogo
Bonanno Family member Louis Civello extorted approximately $10,000 in protection money from a strip club in Suffolk County on Long Island on a yearly basis. Tropiano was responsible for collecting the payments
Louis Civello is also a former Colombo associate (as of 1992), and with Tropiano and Civello being intertwined it's possible they left the Colombo family at the same time/for the same reason. Additionaly Ernest Montevecchi started out as an Bonanno associate, leaving for the Genovese family sometime after the late 1960s.

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by Nicholas » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:47 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:23 pm
Nicholas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:49 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:20 pm
Nicholas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:48 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:58 am
Nicholas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:35 pm Anyone know anything about Cammarano's career in the Navy; other than him being a Submariner.
He served on a nuclear submarine in an elite patrol unit that conducted classified missions.
Right out of Wikipedia
NY Daily News actually. Better luck next time.
Which was nearly word, for word identical to what is on his wiki entry
Sure. What bearing does that have on the Daily News article, or what I posted?
There's not much info out there regarding his Naval Service. I'm dying to see if an attorney of his, etc. puts out a DD-214 pre or post conviction asking for leniency

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by gohnjotti » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:23 pm

Nicholas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:49 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:20 pm
Nicholas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:48 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:58 am
Nicholas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:35 pm Anyone know anything about Cammarano's career in the Navy; other than him being a Submariner.
He served on a nuclear submarine in an elite patrol unit that conducted classified missions.
Right out of Wikipedia
NY Daily News actually. Better luck next time.
Which was nearly word, for word identical to what is on his wiki entry
Sure. What bearing does that have on the Daily News article, or what I posted?

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by Nicholas » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:49 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:20 pm
Nicholas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:48 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:58 am
Nicholas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:35 pm Anyone know anything about Cammarano's career in the Navy; other than him being a Submariner.
He served on a nuclear submarine in an elite patrol unit that conducted classified missions.
Right out of Wikipedia
NY Daily News actually. Better luck next time.
Which was nearly word, for word identical to what is on his wiki entry

Re: Cammarano et al. indictment thread

by Wiseguy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:46 pm

Eld wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:25 am I belive it's the same Christopher Castellano that was murdered in 2010 that was involved in Project Reckoning, it's just his age that has been confused.
C. Delligatti's Prior Bad Acts

The Government seeks to introduce evidence of Delligatti's involvement in other bad acts, either as direct proof of the charged racketeering conspiracy and of his membership in that conspiracy, or as evidence admissible for other purposes under Rule 404(b). Specifically, it wants to introduce evidence of: 1) Delligatti's involvement in an illegal gambling operation with Genovese associate Christopher Castellano from in or about 2009 through in or about 2010; 2) Delligatti's involvement in an illegal prostitution business from in or about 2008 through in or about 2010; and 3) Delligatti's involvement in planting a bomb in a club in connection with his participation in the charged extortion conspiracy.
D. The Murder of Castellano

Finally, the Government seeks to introduce evidence to show that unidentified members of the Genovese family had Genovese associate Christopher Castellano—a former partner of Delligatti's in several illegal gambling operations— murdered on July 4, 2010 due to suspicions that he was cooperating with law enforcement.
Castellano, in exchange for being freed on bail in New York in March 2009, agreed to “sing” to U.S. prosecutors, saying that he and Schirippa bought cocaine from a source in New York for about $30,000 a kilo and then exported the drugs to Italy where Schirippa would sell them for about $50,000 per kilo. Castellano said that in about April 2008, he observed a foreign national – who later became a government informant – starting to meet with Gregorio Gigilotti, whom he learned bought $50,000 worth of cocaine. (Castellano was shot and killed on July 4, 2010, in Queens and the homicide case is yet to be solved.)

In 2008, the informant admitted to authorities he was supplying Castellano and Schirippa with cocaine while working at a legal business owned by the Genovese-connected Federicci and that Federicci was in some sort of business activity with Gigliotti. The informant said he sold three kilos of cocaine to Gigliotti, who then told him he was shipping the drugs to Italy with a commercial carrier or shipping company.
Good find Eld.

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