by Angelo Santino » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:59 am
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:12 pm
Chris, may I suggest that you make just one chart? If you put all your energy into that one, the result will turn out awesome, I´m sure. Now, if you want to use the 1983 source or the 1988 source that is is up to you. Keep in mind though that those sources are not fully accurate. There are names on those lists that shouldn´t be there (names of guys that are deceased for example) and names that are missing. It´s up to you if you want to use the lists straight up and convert them into a chart or if you want to make a chart that is loosely based on the lists. I and others can try to help you out with the names if that´s the case. JD, if he likes, could also chip in. But he hasn´t been around for a while and I´ve seen lately that he has deleted many of his made posts. I don´t know his reasons for this but hope he sticks around. Give us a sign JD!
A chart of all the members placed in groups of their crew affiliation and their home addresses shown would be great! I think that would be the fucking ultimate chart...atleast in my opinion. You just have to decide what source to use and follow it through.
This is in fact the intention but I've run into barriers along the way with each passing attempt in obtaining:
1)Names
2)Ranks and crew affiliation <----not an easy endeavor considering soldiers with 1963/83.
3)Addresses <---- time consuming and all but impossible after a certain point.
4)Social clubs/hangouts <---- the closest thing to territory but unless someone can go through the list of 350+ clubs and figure out which ones were open/closed in the 80's.
"Territory" is hard to show in NYC as mafia politics isn't bloods and crips with defined borders, even back in the 1900 no area was homogenous except for possibly Williamsburg. Theoretically, two independent bosses could live and have social clubs/hqs on the same street 30 feet from each other. More often then not, if a captain has soldiers in Manhattan and Brooklyn I've seen those two boroughs listed as his "territory" and while accurate can be misleading. There's exceptions but the closest I've seen in NYC in terms of "territory" is having autonomy over a certain racket. I'm a made guy on Elizabeth making a killing in the horse manure rackets doesn't prohibit other members/families from opening up other rackets, as long as it doesn't conflict with my rackets I got no claim. And if someone wished to enter the manure rackets on Elizabeth there'd likely be a sitdown over ironing out proceeds and percentages. Joe Bonanno spoke about this as well as how they handled those pesky legitimate assholes who had the nerve to try and make a living in those same industries.
I honestly don't think we'll be able to break down every name -63 or 83- into specific crews. Working with what we got, we color code them into 5 difficult colors (one for each family), maybe include some social clubs/businesses over a map of NYC showing addresses by way of lines from each member to their address on the map. Naturally New Jersey and Long Island cannot be shown in the same map, I'll have to work some magic there.
And being more honest, I wonder if photoshop is the best way to show this? There's google maps, there's a map making application that I joined a month ago that works very much like google maps.
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Chris, may I suggest that you make just one chart? If you put all your energy into that one, the result will turn out awesome, I´m sure. Now, if you want to use the 1983 source or the 1988 source that is is up to you. Keep in mind though that those sources are not fully accurate. There are names on those lists that shouldn´t be there (names of guys that are deceased for example) and names that are missing. It´s up to you if you want to use the lists straight up and convert them into a chart or if you want to make a chart that is loosely based on the lists. I and others can try to help you out with the names if that´s the case. JD, if he likes, could also chip in. But he hasn´t been around for a while and I´ve seen lately that he has deleted many of his made posts. I don´t know his reasons for this but hope he sticks around. Give us a sign JD! :)
[b]A chart of all the members placed in groups of their crew affiliation and their home addresses shown would be great! I think that would be the fucking ultimate chart[/b]...atleast in my opinion. You just have to decide what source to use and follow it through.
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This is in fact the intention but I've run into barriers along the way with each passing attempt in obtaining:
1)Names
2)Ranks and crew affiliation <----not an easy endeavor considering soldiers with 1963/83.
3)Addresses <---- time consuming and all but impossible after a certain point.
4)Social clubs/hangouts <---- the closest thing to territory but unless someone can go through the list of 350+ clubs and figure out which ones were open/closed in the 80's.
"Territory" is hard to show in NYC as mafia politics isn't bloods and crips with defined borders, even back in the 1900 no area was homogenous except for possibly Williamsburg. Theoretically, two independent bosses could live and have social clubs/hqs on the same street 30 feet from each other. More often then not, if a captain has soldiers in Manhattan and Brooklyn I've seen those two boroughs listed as his "territory" and while accurate can be misleading. There's exceptions but the closest I've seen in NYC in terms of "territory" is having autonomy over a certain racket. I'm a made guy on Elizabeth making a killing in the horse manure rackets doesn't prohibit other members/families from opening up other rackets, as long as it doesn't conflict with my rackets I got no claim. And if someone wished to enter the manure rackets on Elizabeth there'd likely be a sitdown over ironing out proceeds and percentages. Joe Bonanno spoke about this as well as how they handled those pesky legitimate assholes who had the nerve to try and make a living in those same industries.
I honestly don't think we'll be able to break down every name -63 or 83- into specific crews. Working with what we got, we color code them into 5 difficult colors (one for each family), maybe include some social clubs/businesses over a map of NYC showing addresses by way of lines from each member to their address on the map. Naturally New Jersey and Long Island cannot be shown in the same map, I'll have to work some magic there.
And being more honest, I wonder if photoshop is the best way to show this? There's google maps, there's a map making application that I joined a month ago that works very much like google maps.
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ref for later: http://theblackhand.club/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=402&p=4855&hilit=bruno+map#p4855