THE BLACK HAND FORUM

PaddyWhack wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:16 pm Did Jr have any real chance of taking over the Philly fam? Sometimes I think if he was the go between for his dad and local 504? (which I believe he was still in control of while in prison) and could this have been the reason for his attempted murder ?

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:13 am Scarfo Jr. probably would have been a decent boss if he had the backing of the troops. Too flashy though, but so is Joey

Philly d wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:41 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:05 pm I forgot to add this sentence. Philly probably wanted Scarfo released so they were free to kill him in order to resolve the matter. Luchese's don't release Scarfo Jr. probably as a favor to his father through Amuso and just break him back down to soldier and strip his crew.

Thanks! This theory basically answers my question. Though how much influence does Amuse have at that point?

dack2001 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:05 pm I forgot to add this sentence. Philly probably wanted Scarfo released so they were free to kill him in order to resolve the matter. Luchese's don't release Scarfo Jr. probably as a favor to his father through Amuso and just break him back down to soldier and strip his crew.

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:13 pm

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:00 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 am
I am acutely familiar with the procedure necessary to have a conviction overturned. My point is that for all intensive purposes he has a better chance of getting the conviction overturned than getting the sentence reduced. Those are two separate procedures and both are major, major long shots.

Not to be a grammar nazi but did you really say "intensive purposes"? It's intents and purposes, so you don't say that elsewhere lol

For all insensitive porpoises, I don't think it matters too much either way.

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:00 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 am

Confederate wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:17 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:27 pm I followed the news articles and have been in criminal federal court, he has a better chance of having the conviction tossed and getting a new trial than getting the sentence meaningfully reduced unless there is some retroactive change in the guidelines sometime down the road. His was because this was his third federal felony. Same for the Pelullo.

If he wants to try and get the conviction overturned, Section 391 of the Criminal Procedure Code allows the Appellate Court to consider NEW evidence, if it deems necessary. The Defendant has to explain in the Prayer to the Appellate Court why the evidence was not produced in the first place. Best way to do this is hire another Attorney and claim your first Attorney did an inadeqaute job for your defense.The other way is for your Attorney to prove to the Appellate Court that there were errors made in the Trial and have it overturned as a mistrial. The Prosecutor then of course can have another go at it.

I am acutely familiar with the procedure necessary to have a conviction overturned. My point is that for all intensive purposes he has a better chance of getting the conviction overturned than getting the sentence reduced. Those are two separate procedures and both are major, major long shots.

Not to be a grammar nazi but did you really say "intensive purposes"? It's intents and purposes, so you don't say that elsewhere lol

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:00 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 am
I am acutely familiar with the procedure necessary to have a conviction overturned. My point is that for all intensive purposes he has a better chance of getting the conviction overturned than getting the sentence reduced. Those are two separate procedures and both are major, major long shots.

Not to be a grammar nazi but did you really say "intensive purposes"? It's intents and purposes, so you don't say that elsewhere lol

dack2001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 am

Confederate wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:17 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:27 pm I followed the news articles and have been in criminal federal court, he has a better chance of having the conviction tossed and getting a new trial than getting the sentence meaningfully reduced unless there is some retroactive change in the guidelines sometime down the road. His was because this was his third federal felony. Same for the Pelullo.

If he wants to try and get the conviction overturned, Section 391 of the Criminal Procedure Code allows the Appellate Court to consider NEW evidence, if it deems necessary. The Defendant has to explain in the Prayer to the Appellate Court why the evidence was not produced in the first place. Best way to do this is hire another Attorney and claim your first Attorney did an inadeqaute job for your defense.The other way is for your Attorney to prove to the Appellate Court that there were errors made in the Trial and have it overturned as a mistrial. The Prosecutor then of course can have another go at it.

I am acutely familiar with the procedure necessary to have a conviction overturned. My point is that for all intensive purposes he has a better chance of getting the conviction overturned than getting the sentence reduced. Those are two separate procedures and both are major, major long shots.

dack2001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 am

Confederate wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:17 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:27 pm I followed the news articles and have been in criminal federal court, he has a better chance of having the conviction tossed and getting a new trial than getting the sentence meaningfully reduced unless there is some retroactive change in the guidelines sometime down the road. His was because this was his third federal felony. Same for the Pelullo.

If he wants to try and get the conviction overturned, Section 391 of the Criminal Procedure Code allows the Appellate Court to consider NEW evidence, if it deems necessary. The Defendant has to explain in the Prayer to the Appellate Court why the evidence was not produced in the first place. Best way to do this is hire another Attorney and claim your first Attorney did an inadeqaute job for your defense.The other way is for your Attorney to prove to the Appellate Court that there were errors made in the Trial and have it overturned as a mistrial. The Prosecutor then of course can have another go at it.

I am acutely familiar with the procedure necessary to have a conviction overturned. My point is that for all intensive purposes he has a better chance of getting the conviction overturned than getting the sentence reduced. Those are two separate procedures and both are major, major long shots.

Confederate wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:17 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:27 pm I followed the news articles and have been in criminal federal court, he has a better chance of having the conviction tossed and getting a new trial than getting the sentence meaningfully reduced unless there is some retroactive change in the guidelines sometime down the road. His was because this was his third federal felony. Same for the Pelullo.

If he wants to try and get the conviction overturned, Section 391 of the Criminal Procedure Code allows the Appellate Court to consider NEW evidence, if it deems necessary. The Defendant has to explain in the Prayer to the Appellate Court why the evidence was not produced in the first place. Best way to do this is hire another Attorney and claim your first Attorney did an inadeqaute job for your defense.The other way is for your Attorney to prove to the Appellate Court that there were errors made in the Trial and have it overturned as a mistrial. The Prosecutor then of course can have another go at it.