THE BLACK HAND FORUM

chubby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:29 pm I’ve heard bf turned his button down.. he would have been made way long ago if he wanted it.

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:40 pm Francis Guerra did not turn down being made. When Tommy McLaughlin mentioned to him that he was being proposed, Guerra said “I don’t know, sometimes I wonder if it’s even fucking worth it.” But he didn’t turn it down, and was scheduled to be made in that aborted Dec. 2010 ceremony.

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:12 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:45 pm Yeah I always wondered about these kids. There were hundreds of kids like that (still are to a smaller degree) but I wonder if their involvement in LCN was overstated. They were more into money and crimes than LCN “culture” - when you read about someone like Spero in relation to Bath Ave crew it sounds like he was the guy running the whole thing, but taking money from those kids was just a small part of what he had going on. The guy was acting boss at one point for Christ’s sake. Not a lot of these kids went on to be made guys. The 20th ave crew probably had the most amount of associates that became made men; says a lot more about the Colombos than it says about the character of the kids themselves

Great writeup on the crew by the way, newera. It should be noted that Tommy McLaughlin was not really part of the 20th Avenue crew in the early 1990s. He hooked up with Greg Scarpa's guys and worked under Joseph "Joe Fish" Marra, a powerful associate who ran a crew of his own under Scarpa and was proposed to be made until the war broke out. In fact, Tommy McLaughlin's "switching sides" over to Greg Scarpa's crew was one of the reasons Tommy Gioeli practically turned his back on him when McLaughlin went to prison, despite them being related.

There were also a whole lot of other young associates in the Russo Crew that the 20th Avenue guys hung around. Eric Curcio and his band of wild hooligans, Frank Sparaco, Francis Guerra IIRC. People tend to think of the Wimpy Boys when they think of Persico faction muscle, but the Russo Crew (JoJo and Anthony) had just as many eager, murderous associates, but minus the benefit of having access to a wealth of FBI intel that Scarpa had.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:45 pm Yeah I always wondered about these kids. There were hundreds of kids like that (still are to a smaller degree) but I wonder if their involvement in LCN was overstated. They were more into money and crimes than LCN “culture” - when you read about someone like Spero in relation to Bath Ave crew it sounds like he was the guy running the whole thing, but taking money from those kids was just a small part of what he had going on. The guy was acting boss at one point for Christ’s sake. Not a lot of these kids went on to be made guys. The 20th ave crew probably had the most amount of associates that became made men; says a lot more about the Colombos than it says about the character of the kids themselves

DonnieB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:11 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:21 pm None of Dino’s brothers are made but Anthony ‘Nooch’ Calabro was an associate and loanshark at the time of his 2011 street.

Seby saracino is made

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:21 pm None of Dino’s brothers are made but Anthony ‘Nooch’ Calabro was an associate and loanshark at the time of his 2011 street.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:45 pm

Bennyxo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:12 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:00 am

Bennyxo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:30 am Who were the members of the twentieth avenue crew?

im sure it was bigger but afaik the members we've known via guys flipping and murder indictments are:

Dino Calabro, Dino Saracino, Richie Greaves - dead, at the hands of the previous two names, Tommy McLaughin (Tommy Gioeli's cousin), Joey "Caves" Competiello, this OJ asshole who got killed, possibly Saracino's brother Sebastian, possibly Calabro's brother Enzo, and im guessing a few others.

Colombo affilliated, under Big Dino Calabro, who was an official associate of Gioeli. So ultimately their whole connection was through Gioeli. Gioeli made a lot of money off these kids. Calabro was the first to get made, later Dino Saracino and Competiello got made. Competiello and Calabro both relocated to Farmingdale and moved on the same street that Gioeli lived on. I think Sebby Saracino was made at one point eventually, but I could be mistaken

From all accounts this was a truely deplorable crew. really low down grimey, true street level guys. In that documentary with Mikey DeRosa he said his Lucchese backed crew had beef with them, although it was for no reason really and he said "they were kids just like us, grew up just like us, doing the same exact things we were doing, a few blocks away"

I'd like to know if there are any other currently active, made Colombo members who came up in this crew? I thought Giovanni "johnny brains" Cerbone was a member of this crew, but he could have just been a Staten Island guy placed in Calabro's crew, kinda like Mickey Souza.

Interesting, thanks for the info new-era. I never really took an interest in the Turks of the mafia. However after reading a little bit here and there about the Bath Ave crew. It sort of grabbed my attention at the brutality and hoodlum like attitude they portrayed.

Yeah I always wondered about these kids. There were hundreds of kids like that (still are to a smaller degree) but I wonder if their involvement in LCN was overstated. They were more into money and crimes than LCN “culture” - when you read about someone like Spero in relation to Bath Ave crew it sounds like he was the guy running the whole thing, but taking money from those kids was just a small part of what he had going on. The guy was acting boss at one point for Christ’s sake. Not a lot of these kids went on to be made guys. The 20th ave crew probably had the most amount of associates that became made men; says a lot more about the Colombos than it says about the character of the kids themselves

Bennyxo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:12 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:00 am

Bennyxo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:30 am Who were the members of the twentieth avenue crew?

im sure it was bigger but afaik the members we've known via guys flipping and murder indictments are:

Dino Calabro, Dino Saracino, Richie Greaves - dead, at the hands of the previous two names, Tommy McLaughin (Tommy Gioeli's cousin), Joey "Caves" Competiello, this OJ asshole who got killed, possibly Saracino's brother Sebastian, possibly Calabro's brother Enzo, and im guessing a few others.

Colombo affilliated, under Big Dino Calabro, who was an official associate of Gioeli. So ultimately their whole connection was through Gioeli. Gioeli made a lot of money off these kids. Calabro was the first to get made, later Dino Saracino and Competiello got made. Competiello and Calabro both relocated to Farmingdale and moved on the same street that Gioeli lived on. I think Sebby Saracino was made at one point eventually, but I could be mistaken

From all accounts this was a truely deplorable crew. really low down grimey, true street level guys. In that documentary with Mikey DeRosa he said his Lucchese backed crew had beef with them, although it was for no reason really and he said "they were kids just like us, grew up just like us, doing the same exact things we were doing, a few blocks away"

I'd like to know if there are any other currently active, made Colombo members who came up in this crew? I thought Giovanni "johnny brains" Cerbone was a member of this crew, but he could have just been a Staten Island guy placed in Calabro's crew, kinda like Mickey Souza.

Interesting, thanks for the info new-era. I never really took an interest in the Turks of the mafia. However after reading a little bit here and there about the Bath Ave crew. It sort of grabbed my attention at the brutality and hoodlum like attitude they portrayed.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:00 am

Bennyxo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:30 am Who were the members of the twentieth avenue crew?

im sure it was bigger but afaik the members we've known via guys flipping and murder indictments are:

Dino Calabro, Dino Saracino, Richie Greaves - dead, at the hands of the previous two names, Tommy McLaughin (Tommy Gioeli's cousin), Joey "Caves" Competiello, this OJ asshole who got killed, possibly Saracino's brother Sebastian, possibly Calabro's brother Enzo, and im guessing a few others.

Colombo affilliated, under Big Dino Calabro, who was an official associate of Gioeli. So ultimately their whole connection was through Gioeli. Gioeli made a lot of money off these kids. Calabro was the first to get made, later Dino Saracino and Competiello got made. Competiello and Calabro both relocated to Farmingdale and moved on the same street that Gioeli lived on. I think Sebby Saracino was made at one point eventually, but I could be mistaken

From all accounts this was a truely deplorable crew. really low down grimey, true street level guys. In that documentary with Mikey DeRosa he said his Lucchese backed crew had beef with them, although it was for no reason really and he said "they were kids just like us, grew up just like us, doing the same exact things we were doing, a few blocks away"

I'd like to know if there are any other currently active, made Colombo members who came up in this crew? I thought Giovanni "johnny brains" Cerbone was a member of this crew, but he could have just been a Staten Island guy placed in Calabro's crew, kinda like Mickey Souza.

Bennyxo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:30 am Who were the members of the twentieth avenue crew?