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by B. » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:41 pm
lennert wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:22 am Just reviving this interesting topic with a question. Was Falcone the real name of the brothers, or was it Projetto? I know Projetto is not an uncommon surname in Sciacca, and the Falcone family came to the US under this name. It is also given as an alias both Joseph and Salvatore in the FBN Mafia book. Attached the manifest showing the arrival of the Falcones/Projettos, as well as a document proving this is indeed the Utica Falcone family. B, not sure if you know already, but note the father of the Falcone brothers gives his intended destination as his brother-in-law Vincenzo Sabella from 167 Mott Street in New York City. Maybe this was New York City based Falcone soldier Joseph's father?
- NYC-based Utica soldier Joe Sabella was born in Manhattan in 1913, lived in Brooklyn, and died in Staten Island, 1996. Sabella was the son of Salvatore Falcone's mother's sister. Joseph's father, Vincenzo Sabella, came from Sciacca and was a grocer like the Falcone brothers and their father Antonio Falcone, Vincenzo's brother-in-law. - Joseph Sabella is unique in that he lived his entire life in NYC but was a made member of a family outside of NYC and NJ, officially belonging to the Magaddino family. His blood relation to the Falcone brothers would account for this, but doesn't quite explain it. It's especially strange because of the many connections between the Falcones/Sabellas and Gambinos, including relation to the Indelicatos and his Sciacca background, which should have made the Gambino family Brooklyn faction an obvious home for Joe Sabella. Maybe it's a testament to Salvatore Falcone's influence/respect that he was allowed to induct a member who lived full-time in NYC.
by lennert » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:22 am
by Pogo The Clown » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:26 pm
B. wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:22 pm This is a few years prior to Salvatore Falcone's own travel to Italy, where he's alleged to have donated to the fascists.
by B. » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:22 pm
by B. » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:38 pm
by B. » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:56 pm
SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:16 pm B. wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:40 pm The FBN identified Gambino soldier "Joe Scootch" Indelicato as a cousin of the Falcone brothers. That would make old time Gambino captain Antonino Indelicato a relative as well. The Indelicatos were from Sciacca or at least nearby, so that would reinforce this info. This is yet another connection between the Falcone brothers and the Gambino family, making it even more likely they were associates if not members of the D'Aquila/Gambino family when they lived in NYC, especially because this involves a relation. Are the above mentioned Gambino Indelicato's related to Sonny Red & Bruno Indelicato of Bonnano fame?
B. wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:40 pm The FBN identified Gambino soldier "Joe Scootch" Indelicato as a cousin of the Falcone brothers. That would make old time Gambino captain Antonino Indelicato a relative as well. The Indelicatos were from Sciacca or at least nearby, so that would reinforce this info. This is yet another connection between the Falcone brothers and the Gambino family, making it even more likely they were associates if not members of the D'Aquila/Gambino family when they lived in NYC, especially because this involves a relation.
by SILENT PARTNERZ » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:16 pm
by Vknicks » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:54 pm
by bronx » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:43 pm
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by maxiestern11 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:19 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:48 pm Not much. One of the Rochester informants talked about his induction in 1972 and that one of the members present was a local college professor. No name was given from what I saw. Forgot if the informant was Joseph “Spike” Lanovara or Angelo Monachino. They were both made in the same ceremony and both later flipped. Pogo
by maxiestern11 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:15 am
SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:59 pm B. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:53 am I'd like to dig into the Bufalino family next, as they are a big part of this whole western NY discussion, too. A number of mafia members along the southwestern border seem to have been Scranton members despite being paesans and having other connections to Buffalo and other western NY cities, even a couple of guys I had assumed were Buffalo members. Most of what I know about Scranton is incidental from looking into Buffalo / Utica and Philadelphia. The FBI consistently ID'd them as the first family in Pennsylvania so I'm curious how early they had membership in NY state. By the way it looks like Anthony Guarnieri's father came from Bari, so non-Sicilian. My understanding of Rochester, like you said the other day, is it has less of a Sicilian history than other cities in the area, but I could be wrong. Not sure what the ethnic background is for Rochester capodecina Giacomo Russolesi but I recall reading he was non-Sicilian. Here is a thread I made a while back with a little bit of Rochester info, mostly from the 1950s / 60s: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3279&p=69675 In one of the Magaddino transcripts he is discussing some sort of dispute within the Buffalo family, seemingly from the 1920s, where the family split into two factions and the total combined is fewer than 40 members. No idea if he was just referring to members in the Buffalo / NF area or the entire family, or whether this number is even accurate, but the Buffalo family at its peak is believed to have had significantly more members than this. Seems possible that they brought in members from other areas after this, or groups from other cities weren't part of the disputing factions. There was an article written titled 'The Men from Montedoro' that lays out the early Bufalino/ Wyoming Valley, PA family. It was an article in THomas Hunt's American Mafia INFORMER Magazine.
B. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:53 am I'd like to dig into the Bufalino family next, as they are a big part of this whole western NY discussion, too. A number of mafia members along the southwestern border seem to have been Scranton members despite being paesans and having other connections to Buffalo and other western NY cities, even a couple of guys I had assumed were Buffalo members. Most of what I know about Scranton is incidental from looking into Buffalo / Utica and Philadelphia. The FBI consistently ID'd them as the first family in Pennsylvania so I'm curious how early they had membership in NY state. By the way it looks like Anthony Guarnieri's father came from Bari, so non-Sicilian. My understanding of Rochester, like you said the other day, is it has less of a Sicilian history than other cities in the area, but I could be wrong. Not sure what the ethnic background is for Rochester capodecina Giacomo Russolesi but I recall reading he was non-Sicilian. Here is a thread I made a while back with a little bit of Rochester info, mostly from the 1950s / 60s: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3279&p=69675 In one of the Magaddino transcripts he is discussing some sort of dispute within the Buffalo family, seemingly from the 1920s, where the family split into two factions and the total combined is fewer than 40 members. No idea if he was just referring to members in the Buffalo / NF area or the entire family, or whether this number is even accurate, but the Buffalo family at its peak is believed to have had significantly more members than this. Seems possible that they brought in members from other areas after this, or groups from other cities weren't part of the disputing factions.
by bronx » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:35 pm
by SILENT PARTNERZ » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:13 pm
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:42 am SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:59 pm B. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:53 am I'd like to dig into the Bufalino family next, as they are a big part of this whole western NY discussion, too. A number of mafia members along the southwestern border seem to have been Scranton members despite being paesans and having other connections to Buffalo and other western NY cities, even a couple of guys I had assumed were Buffalo members. Most of what I know about Scranton is incidental from looking into Buffalo / Utica and Philadelphia. The FBI consistently ID'd them as the first family in Pennsylvania so I'm curious how early they had membership in NY state. By the way it looks like Anthony Guarnieri's father came from Bari, so non-Sicilian. My understanding of Rochester, like you said the other day, is it has less of a Sicilian history than other cities in the area, but I could be wrong. Not sure what the ethnic background is for Rochester capodecina Giacomo Russolesi but I recall reading he was non-Sicilian. Here is a thread I made a while back with a little bit of Rochester info, mostly from the 1950s / 60s: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3279&p=69675 In one of the Magaddino transcripts he is discussing some sort of dispute within the Buffalo family, seemingly from the 1920s, where the family split into two factions and the total combined is fewer than 40 members. No idea if he was just referring to members in the Buffalo / NF area or the entire family, or whether this number is even accurate, but the Buffalo family at its peak is believed to have had significantly more members than this. Seems possible that they brought in members from other areas after this, or groups from other cities weren't part of the disputing factions. There was an article written titled 'The Men from Montedoro' that lays out the early Bufalino/ Wyoming Valley, PA family. It was an article in THomas Hunt's American Mafia INFORMER Magazine. That was a great piece. Tom does a nice job with the early stuff.
by JCB1977 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:42 am
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