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Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by antimafia » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:52 am

^^^^
Thanks for clarifying, toto.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by toto » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:00 pm

No links to Philadelphia family. The wiretaps didn't mention it. Also, according to our fellow poster Pogo, Philadelphia family didn't have any presence at Philadelphia port even in the past let alone now.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by antimafia » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:16 am

American law enforcement's intelligence about the Siderno Group ('ndrangheta) in North America was more fulsome than Canadian law enforcement's in the 1960s. In fact, were it not for American intelligence, Canada's agencies would not have known in the 1960s about the existence of the Siderno Group. In 1972, though, a report published by the Ontario Police Commission showed that law enforcement in Ontario was getting better at gathering information about this North American crime group. The report speculated there were locales (sic) in the Flushing-Corona areas, which were known to have large numbers of Calabrian-Americans who settled there.

Does anyone know whether the Gigliottis, apart from having a restaurant in Corona, also lived in Queens?
toto wrote:It's not 1955 anymore. These women don't get dragged in to anything. Most of them grow up with fathers, uncles, brothers, cousins all doing drug trafficking. Its all they know and its the livelihood the family depends on. They help because outsiders are more likely to flip or cheat. Its not the first time such a thing has been discovered. In the investigation which found Piromalli cosca was doing drug trafficking through Philadelphia port they found on one wiretap the sister laughing and joking with her brother about drug trafficking.
toto, do you know whether the links between the Philadelphia Family and Girolamo Piromalli himself may have begun as early as the 1960s or 1970s? Paolo Violi (murdered in 1978 in Montreal) had an uncle in Philadelphia, named "Michelino" (first name, I'm fairly certain), who apparently had access to Angelo Bruno. I don't know whether this uncle was the brother of Violi's father or mother--I'm thinking the latter.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by East Bronx » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:02 am

toto wrote:If your born 1959 means you're my parents generation. I better call you "uncle"... :D
Yeah, call me Zee Bee :lol:.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by toto » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:36 am

East Bronx wrote:
toto wrote:It's not 1955 anymore. These women don't get dragged in to anything. Most of them grow up with fathers, uncles, brothers, cousins all doing drug trafficking. Its all they know and its the livelihood the family depends on. They help because outsiders are more likely to flip or cheat. Its not the first time such a thing has been discovered. In the investigation which found Piromalli cosca was doing drug trafficking through Philadelphia port they found on one wiretap the sister laughing and joking with her brother about drug trafficking.
Well, I wasn't born until 1959, Toto :lol:.

And yes, there have always been some women directly involved in the criminal activity of their family. But it's undeniably more common in Italy than in the United States. I mention this because you brought up the Piromalli cosca. But the women who do it in Italy do it because they're duty bound to do it (and I mean that as a compliment).Whereas the broads who get wrapped up in their boyfriends' drug deals in America are usually doing it because they're just trashy enough to do it. There's a difference. It's all subjective anyway, and I ain't judging. But I agree with Bronx. Over here, especially in New York, most of the guys who dragged their women into the life paid for it dearly.
I see what you mean. But I think women are involved in these types of operations because its just a case of looking after some stuff or moving here and there or looking after the legitimate business where some drugs are stored. They don't exactly go and deal in the street level. I think even even in Italy this type of activity will be frowned on. Its a different type of dealing than in dealing in the street level.

If your born 1959 means you're my parents generation. I better call you "uncle"... :D

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by rayray » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:51 pm

This almost reads like a Ndrangheta cell? Especially, how it seemed like a real family business affair.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by East Bronx » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:53 pm

toto wrote:It's not 1955 anymore. These women don't get dragged in to anything. Most of them grow up with fathers, uncles, brothers, cousins all doing drug trafficking. Its all they know and its the livelihood the family depends on. They help because outsiders are more likely to flip or cheat. Its not the first time such a thing has been discovered. In the investigation which found Piromalli cosca was doing drug trafficking through Philadelphia port they found on one wiretap the sister laughing and joking with her brother about drug trafficking.
Well, I wasn't born until 1959, Toto :lol:.

And yes, there have always been some women directly involved in the criminal activity of their family. But it's undeniably more common in Italy than in the United States. I mention this because you brought up the Piromalli cosca. But the women who do it in Italy do it because they're duty bound to do it (and I mean that as a compliment).Whereas the broads who get wrapped up in their boyfriends' drug deals in America are usually doing it because they're just trashy enough to do it. There's a difference. It's all subjective anyway, and I ain't judging. But I agree with Bronx. Over here, especially in New York, most of the guys who dragged their women into the life paid for it dearly.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by toto » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:59 pm

It's not 1955 anymore. These women don't get dragged in to anything. Most of them grow up with fathers, uncles, brothers, cousins all doing drug trafficking. Its all they know and its the livelihood the family depends on. They help because outsiders are more likely to flip or cheat. Its not the first time such a thing has been discovered. In the investigation which found Piromalli cosca was doing drug trafficking through Philadelphia port they found on one wiretap the sister laughing and joking with her brother about drug trafficking.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by bronx » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:35 am

East Bronx wrote:
bronx wrote:pizza , could you ever imagine going home for dinner and saying, hey mom how our coke, you taste it yet/ ?that's good stuff son.
Never in a million years. Other than offering coffee and a pizzelle to the occasional sheet writer, my Mother was happily naive about such things. And God rest her soul, anyone who ever knocked on my Mother's door got coffee and pizzelle anyway.
hey i would have gone to her home ! sounds they way we grew up by me. never took the street home..that's why it's called street biz..when you run the street into your kitchen, you wind up with shit on your floors..

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by East Bronx » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:00 am

toto wrote:I guess if they were really capable to do that they would be doing and not talking. It's like the guy makes threats to do this and that is usually less dangerous. The real dangerous one doesn't make the threat he just does it.
Also true. Tough talk is easy. I guess we'll see how tough he is soon enough.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by East Bronx » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:57 am

bronx wrote:pizza , could you ever imagine going home for dinner and saying, hey mom how our coke, you taste it yet/ ?that's good stuff son.
Never in a million years. Other than offering coffee and a pizzelle to the occasional sheet writer, my Mother was happily naive about such things. And God rest her soul, anyone who ever knocked on my Mother's door got coffee and pizzelle anyway.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by toto » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:00 am

East Bronx wrote:
toto wrote:
East Bronx wrote:Fucking retarded. The year 2015 and they're talking on the phone.
It's even more suspicious if they never talk on the phone.
Fair enough, but not to that degree. Making veiled threats in reference to a well-known mob movie, when you have 'Ndrangheta ties, is just fucking stupid.
I guess if they were really capable to do that they would be doing and not talking. It's like the guy makes threats to do this and that is usually less dangerous. The real dangerous one doesn't make the threat he just does it.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by bronx » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:36 am

getting women involved in street biz is a lowlife move, if the G thinks it goes beyond them to NY CN also, she may not get let off the hook by the men taking more time, leverage to make them flip. pizza , could you ever imagine going home for dinner and saying, hey mom how our coke, you taste it yet/ ?that's good stuff son.. remember the other geniuses on the phone...i want to order one and a half shirts.. i'll meet you at mr. howard a johnson's house

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by East Bronx » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:10 am

toto wrote:
East Bronx wrote:Fucking retarded. The year 2015 and they're talking on the phone.
It's even more suspicious if they never talk on the phone.
Fair enough, but not to that degree. Making veiled threats in reference to a well-known mob movie, when you have 'Ndrangheta ties, is just fucking stupid.

Re: Coke and a slice was their daily special.

by toto » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:53 am

East Bronx wrote:Fucking retarded. The year 2015 and they're talking on the phone.
It's even more suspicious if they never talk on the phone. At least now they can try to make defence they were ordering legal goods. I always wonder why these people don't bother so much with smuggling legal goods mixed in with smuggling drugs. This way they can make defence they were smuggling but only legal goods.

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