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Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Stroccos » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:20 pm

Snakes wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 9:42 am I've tried to use a money clip for cash and my credit card/license but I still prefer the wallet. I'm so used to carrying that around that I'm afraid I'll leave or forget the clip somewhere.
Cancel those cards go straight cash

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by aleksandrored » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:26 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:01 pm
aleksandrored wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 5:06 pm I understood, thanks for the explanation, when I can I'll read this book quitting the mob.
Yes, check it out for yourself and make your own conclusion. My musings on Franzese and Pistone are just that and other people might have a difference of opinion that may be more credible or taking things into account that I am not.

Compare Quitting the Mob to Blood Covenant;
Donnie Brasco to Unfinished Business;
Pistone's senate testimony to Way of the Wiseguy.
All works are separate by 10-15 years and you can see the evolution and form your own conclusion.
Thanks for the information, the one from Donnie Brasco I have here in my language, I will try to acquire in the future Unfinished Business to compare.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Angelo Santino » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:01 pm

aleksandrored wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 5:06 pm I understood, thanks for the explanation, when I can I'll read this book quitting the mob.
Yes, check it out for yourself and make your own conclusion. My musings on Franzese and Pistone are just that and other people might have a difference of opinion that may be more credible or taking things into account that I am not.

Compare Quitting the Mob to Blood Covenant;
Donnie Brasco to Unfinished Business;
Pistone's senate testimony to Way of the Wiseguy.
All works are separate by 10-15 years and you can see the evolution and form your own conclusion.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by aleksandrored » Thu May 31, 2018 5:06 pm

I understood, thanks for the explanation, when I can I'll read this book quitting the mob.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Angelo Santino » Thu May 31, 2018 4:31 pm

On the surface no, both men are who they say they are. But they can stretch the truth. In the case of Franzese, rather than label him a former ranking member, they can call him "a former mob boss." With Pistone, Sonny Black went from capo in his first book to acting boss in his second, and the whole "dramatic inner conflict" we see by Johnny Depp feeling more and more loyal to Lefty is all but absent in book 1 and in fact quite the opposite. But by the 2000's he's writing that had he been sent to hit so and so, "fuck it, he would have." He specifically says that and I can't imagine him testifying that at the McClellan Committee during the early years of his post-undercover career.

Again, read Quitting the Mob published in the late 80's or early 90's, Franzese is simply loyal to his father and was quite intelligent, perhaps too intelligent for the mob in true Shakespearian form. There's no mention of him being groomed to be the specific underboss to Alphonse after he (eventually?) became boss. It's an example of the truth being stretched and apart from this forum, the average person could care less.

Do I think Franzese made millions in a week himself personally- no fucking way in hell. That's 25 million a month, 300 million a year... in 1980. Of course the entire scam might have generated up to 8 million annually, but like the Vegas skim, proceeds tend to be cut up so much that when we as outsiders see the amount we scratch our heads and say: "that's it!?!?" We look at events after they occurred and conclude someone's going to die in federal prison over what amounted to a 1500-2000 a month scam.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by aleksandrored » Thu May 31, 2018 9:47 am

Chris Christie wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 7:55 am
aleksandrored wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 7:45 am It is that I think it is hypocritical for a person to say that life in La Cosa nostra is bad because it destroys families, but at the same time the person profiting by making mafia musicals in Las Vegas, publishing books, giving interviews about the mafia, somehow the person lives in the Mafia, nothing against the show in Las Vegas, may be cool, but I think it kind of ridiculed the Mafia, just as those already mentioned the infamous Henry Hill was also putting several different information after the success of godfellas.
That's my point, it's all commercialization and Pistone and Franzese are no exception at cashing in. Maybe they earned it. Regardless, their public personas are 100% fake, everything is carefully scripted and presented, from Franzese speaking about 30 year old events in present tense to college students to Pistone being called a "fookin ratttt" from across the street. At this point it's really no different than bringing out Shatner to speak about the latest Star Trek film dressed in his original 1960's makeup.
So you think a lot of what Franzese and Pistine say is a lie? that he earned from 6 to 8 million a week?

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Snakes » Thu May 31, 2018 9:42 am

I've tried to use a money clip for cash and my credit card/license but I still prefer the wallet. I'm so used to carrying that around that I'm afraid I'll leave or forget the clip somewhere.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Stroccos » Thu May 31, 2018 9:31 am

Chris Christie wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:34 am
Stroccos wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:29 am
Chris Christie wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:25 am
Stroccos wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:15 am
Chris Christie wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 7:55 pm
Which is why nothing will convince me otherwise that Jack Falcone didn't go into his undercover FBI role without stars and $$$ in his mind, he was probably writing his manuscript as he went along, fear for his personal safety was porbably number 4 of 5 down on the list. Today he get's paid to take newscasters with nothing better to report on, into the super market, grab a rubber band off a stalk of broccoli to reveal that's what wiseguy's use that to wrap their cash in. Fucking riveting reporting!
One questions double C , did you start using those bands on your roll?

I don't blame any of those guys for getting paid. Hell if you want to pay me 5 figures to speak to a bunch of jerk offs for a hour or so , I surprised anyone still pays Franzese has been spewing his same bs for years now. he comes off as phoney as a 3 dollar bill.
What a stupid question. Yes. A single 100 note wrapped around 25 singles, slide on that rubber band and I exit Publix feeling like Funzi fucking Tieri.

To us, Franzese and Pistone do, to the general public its probably riveting.
Hahahahah , but it all seriousness it does make a good money clip

ok A real queston , do you know If the banana society operated in Sicily as well?
I use a wallet like everyone else I know. But next time I'm shopping I'll try it, granted no one else is in the produce section seeing me take a rubberband off of a stalk.

Banana Society in Sicily, short answer No. Long answer: I'd like to find more out the Mafia in Termini Imerese and see if there's any oddities there. But it's not that easy, the early records we have are due to trials and arrests. There was no agency compiling extensive information about the overall organization. I will say that some early Sicilian groups had odd names: L'Oblonica, Stuppaghiari, Fratellanza. Of course were these localized names placed on the groups or internal names is up for debate.
Yeah I find it interesting how everything kind of connects. I know nothing of the mafia in Sicily , I probably order that book once i get done with the 5 I have sitting here.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Angelo Santino » Thu May 31, 2018 8:34 am

Stroccos wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:29 am
Chris Christie wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:25 am
Stroccos wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:15 am
Chris Christie wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 7:55 pm
Which is why nothing will convince me otherwise that Jack Falcone didn't go into his undercover FBI role without stars and $$$ in his mind, he was probably writing his manuscript as he went along, fear for his personal safety was porbably number 4 of 5 down on the list. Today he get's paid to take newscasters with nothing better to report on, into the super market, grab a rubber band off a stalk of broccoli to reveal that's what wiseguy's use that to wrap their cash in. Fucking riveting reporting!
One questions double C , did you start using those bands on your roll?

I don't blame any of those guys for getting paid. Hell if you want to pay me 5 figures to speak to a bunch of jerk offs for a hour or so , I surprised anyone still pays Franzese has been spewing his same bs for years now. he comes off as phoney as a 3 dollar bill.
What a stupid question. Yes. A single 100 note wrapped around 25 singles, slide on that rubber band and I exit Publix feeling like Funzi fucking Tieri.

To us, Franzese and Pistone do, to the general public its probably riveting.
Hahahahah , but it all seriousness it does make a good money clip

ok A real queston , do you know If the banana society operated in Sicily as well?
I use a wallet like everyone else I know. But next time I'm shopping I'll try it, granted no one else is in the produce section seeing me take a rubberband off of a stalk.

Banana Society in Sicily, short answer No. Long answer: I'd like to find more out the Mafia in Termini Imerese and see if there's any oddities there. But it's not that easy, the early records we have are due to trials and arrests. There was no agency compiling extensive information about the overall organization. I will say that some early Sicilian groups had odd names: L'Oblonica, Stuppaghiari, Fratellanza. Of course were these localized names placed on the groups or internal names is up for debate.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Stroccos » Thu May 31, 2018 8:29 am

Chris Christie wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:25 am
Stroccos wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:15 am
Chris Christie wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 7:55 pm
Which is why nothing will convince me otherwise that Jack Falcone didn't go into his undercover FBI role without stars and $$$ in his mind, he was probably writing his manuscript as he went along, fear for his personal safety was porbably number 4 of 5 down on the list. Today he get's paid to take newscasters with nothing better to report on, into the super market, grab a rubber band off a stalk of broccoli to reveal that's what wiseguy's use that to wrap their cash in. Fucking riveting reporting!
One questions double C , did you start using those bands on your roll?

I don't blame any of those guys for getting paid. Hell if you want to pay me 5 figures to speak to a bunch of jerk offs for a hour or so , I surprised anyone still pays Franzese has been spewing his same bs for years now. he comes off as phoney as a 3 dollar bill.
What a stupid question. Yes. A single 100 note wrapped around 25 singles, slide on that rubber band and I exit Publix feeling like Funzi fucking Tieri.

To us, Franzese and Pistone do, to the general public its probably riveting.
Hahahahah , but it all seriousness it does make a good money clip

ok A real queston , do you know If the banana society operated in Sicily as well?

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Angelo Santino » Thu May 31, 2018 8:25 am

Stroccos wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:15 am
Chris Christie wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 7:55 pm
Which is why nothing will convince me otherwise that Jack Falcone didn't go into his undercover FBI role without stars and $$$ in his mind, he was probably writing his manuscript as he went along, fear for his personal safety was porbably number 4 of 5 down on the list. Today he get's paid to take newscasters with nothing better to report on, into the super market, grab a rubber band off a stalk of broccoli to reveal that's what wiseguy's use that to wrap their cash in. Fucking riveting reporting!
One questions double C , did you start using those bands on your roll?

I don't blame any of those guys for getting paid. Hell if you want to pay me 5 figures to speak to a bunch of jerk offs for a hour or so , I surprised anyone still pays Franzese has been spewing his same bs for years now. he comes off as phoney as a 3 dollar bill.
What a stupid question. Yes. A single 100 note wrapped around 25 singles, slide on that rubber band and I exit Publix feeling like Funzi fucking Tieri.

To us, Franzese and Pistone do, to the general public its probably riveting.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Stroccos » Thu May 31, 2018 8:15 am

Chris Christie wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 7:55 pm
Which is why nothing will convince me otherwise that Jack Falcone didn't go into his undercover FBI role without stars and $$$ in his mind, he was probably writing his manuscript as he went along, fear for his personal safety was porbably number 4 of 5 down on the list. Today he get's paid to take newscasters with nothing better to report on, into the super market, grab a rubber band off a stalk of broccoli to reveal that's what wiseguy's use that to wrap their cash in. Fucking riveting reporting!
One questions double C , did you start using those bands on your roll?

I don't blame any of those guys for getting paid. Hell if you want to pay me 5 figures to speak to a bunch of jerk offs for a hour or so , I surprised anyone still pays Franzese has been spewing his same bs for years now. he comes off as phoney as a 3 dollar bill.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Angelo Santino » Thu May 31, 2018 7:55 am

aleksandrored wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 7:45 am It is that I think it is hypocritical for a person to say that life in La Cosa nostra is bad because it destroys families, but at the same time the person profiting by making mafia musicals in Las Vegas, publishing books, giving interviews about the mafia, somehow the person lives in the Mafia, nothing against the show in Las Vegas, may be cool, but I think it kind of ridiculed the Mafia, just as those already mentioned the infamous Henry Hill was also putting several different information after the success of godfellas.
That's my point, it's all commercialization and Pistone and Franzese are no exception at cashing in. Maybe they earned it. Regardless, their public personas are 100% fake, everything is carefully scripted and presented, from Franzese speaking about 30 year old events in present tense to college students to Pistone being called a "fookin ratttt" from across the street. At this point it's really no different than bringing out Shatner to speak about the latest Star Trek film dressed in his original 1960's makeup.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by aleksandrored » Thu May 31, 2018 7:45 am

It is that I think it is hypocritical for a person to say that life in La Cosa nostra is bad because it destroys families, but at the same time the person profiting by making mafia musicals in Las Vegas, publishing books, giving interviews about the mafia, somehow the person lives in the Mafia, nothing against the show in Las Vegas, may be cool, but I think it kind of ridiculed the Mafia, just as those already mentioned the infamous Henry Hill was also putting several different information after the success of godfellas.

Re: Rules and regulations of Society of the Banana

by Angelo Santino » Thu May 31, 2018 5:31 am

B. wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 pmThis Society of the Banana story is interesting, especially since it seems like an early coalition of Sicilian Pittsburgh mafiosi and non-Sicilians. Makes you wonder if it predated the inclusion of non-Sicilians into the mafia and was used as a substitute "combination" group to keep things organized. Just wild speculation.
It's possible but I will say this group is in touch with both the mafia and other criminal elements, which were both up and running. It seems to lead back to the Lima brothers and others from Termini Imerese, that was the bulk of the members. And interestingly many of them were in the US since before 1900, some as early as 1880. So this wasn't a group of recent arrivals, some were very well established market and fruit vendors, a few farmers which some of them continued to be into the 1940's.

But then I look at Pittsburgh's other Mafiosi and they have no criminal records. You can find their names and photos in certain papers written about as completely legitimate leading members of the Italian community, involved in benevolent charities and Italian social functions. This was the mafia Gentile was a part of, and he sir mentioned no Bananas.

I haven't been able to develop any working theories without evidence immediately refuting it:
1) Early Pittsburgh called itself the Banana society - no sources indicate that and they likely would have.
2) The Banana Society was akin to the Lima Crew - one article said it had more than 50 members spread across Ohio
3) This Banana Society wasn't the mafia but a Mafia copycat - they are linked to PB members and the Limas continued their Mafia tradition in San Francisco for another 50 years.
4) The Mafia did keep early documents outlining the rules but the Banana case is the only example - yet NOTHING has come out of Palermo, Monreale, Favara, Trapani anywhere in 1870-1900 or San Francisco to NY 1880-1930 remotely similar.

We need the court transcripts to know more.

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