THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:00 am

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 6:44 am I thought the gas station confrontation happened in august/September 2001.

I'm not sure if Garcia got the timeline confused or what. The indictment of the Rudaj organization was in October 2004 and the December 2004 article below talks about the gas station meeting in the past tense.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailyn ... e-1.655227

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:37 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:31 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:28 pm I doubt Gene will be bumped up to capo as soon as he walks out of prison. I mentioned this in another thread but a promotion to capo isn't something you can hand out without a second thought. You have to either demote another capo or split a crew in half.

Again, disagree. A guy can have the title without a crew.

Or a crew can even be created. But it’s not a necessity.

Corallo ducks’s driver was a Capo and his job was to just drive the boss around in his non Italian sports car all day.

It is to a boss’s discretion whether someone gets their stripes. They don’t have a set number of skippers or crews, it’s discretionary.

Are you talking about Sal Avellino Jr. Because he definitely had a crew under him, as well as other interests besides driving Corallo around. I believe Avellino ran the trash hauling rackets on Long Island.

And sure, a new crew can be created for Gene. But that involves transferring soldiers from other crews. And, if those soldiers are kicking upstairs to their capo, that's less income for that particular capo.

Are there any other examples of a person being a captain in name alone?

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 6:51 am DiBernardo was briefly a Capo before he was killed. Gravano talks about it in his book.


Pogo

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:45 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:37 pm Are there any other examples of a person being a captain in name alone?

Robert DiBernardo was a Capo without a Crew. In his case Gotti didn't want to promote him and only did after DeCicco and Gravano talked him into it. Frank Polizzi of the DeCavalcantes was another one (he had associates but no made members).


Pogo

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:37 pm Are there any other examples of a person being a captain in name alone?

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:31 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:28 pm I doubt Gene will be bumped up to capo as soon as he walks out of prison. I mentioned this in another thread but a promotion to capo isn't something you can hand out without a second thought. You have to either demote another capo or split a crew in half.

Again, disagree. A guy can have the title without a crew.

Or a crew can even be created. But it’s not a necessity.

Corallo ducks’s driver was a Capo and his job was to just drive the boss around in his non Italian sports car all day.

It is to a boss’s discretion whether someone gets their stripes. They don’t have a set number of skippers or crews, it’s discretionary.

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:28 pm I doubt Gene will be bumped up to capo as soon as he walks out of prison. I mentioned this in another thread but a promotion to capo isn't something you can hand out without a second thought. You have to either demote another capo or split a crew in half.

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:32 pm I love quoting Felices post.... lol, he said GENE WANTS A POSITION.

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:17 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:10 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 4:34 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 11:29 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 2:24 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 1:33 pm I'm assuming this was before he came back and said Pete Gotti is actually still boss

What was the whole point of Capeci sayin in 2011 that pete stepped down?

I don't know for sure but his sources made it sound like that particular change in leadership was the official end to the Gotti era and the beginning of the Sicilian faction era. Maybe because the other acting bosses D'Amico and Squintieri were thought of as Gotti loyalists and Cefalu wasn't. But both Cefalu and Cali had ties to D'Amico.

yes it absolutely made it seem like "end of the gotti era"

he even said "despite Gurinos connections" to late boss

so i find it very odd that Peter Gotti we found out later was still boss. I just wanna know does he get envelopes?? any drama comes his way??? etc

He must’ve had some influence after his arrest. Mikey scars said pete demoted him after his arrest.

I was talking currently.
he was, i guess u can say, influential after his brother went away. He participated in Window Scam as well as other things. I think we kinda dispelled the "dumb don" myth. and some have even said Pete's reign was longer then Snrs.

for him to STILL have the title.... I think symbolically means SOMETHING ... I WISH Gene would come out and start kickin ass n take the crown. but i like Hollywood stories.... except Rizzuto did do that...

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:27 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:17 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:10 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 4:34 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 11:29 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 2:24 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 1:33 pm I'm assuming this was before he came back and said Pete Gotti is actually still boss

What was the whole point of Capeci sayin in 2011 that pete stepped down?

I don't know for sure but his sources made it sound like that particular change in leadership was the official end to the Gotti era and the beginning of the Sicilian faction era. Maybe because the other acting bosses D'Amico and Squintieri were thought of as Gotti loyalists and Cefalu wasn't. But both Cefalu and Cali had ties to D'Amico.

yes it absolutely made it seem like "end of the gotti era"

he even said "despite Gurinos connections" to late boss

so i find it very odd that Peter Gotti we found out later was still boss. I just wanna know does he get envelopes?? any drama comes his way??? etc

He must’ve had some influence after his arrest. Mikey scars said pete demoted him after his arrest.

I was talking currently.
he was, i guess u can say, influential after his brother went away. He participated in Window Scam as well as other things. I think we kinda dispelled the "dumb don" myth. and some have even said Pete's reign was longer then Snrs.

for him to STILL have the title.... I think symbolically means SOMETHING ... I WISH Gene would come out and start kickin ass n take the crown. but i like Hollywood stories.... except Rizzuto did do that...

About gene i hope he gets credit for doin his time. The guys a legend he did almost 30 years man. Dom has to give gene somethin as a reward. Atleast a promotion to capo.

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:17 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:10 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 4:34 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 11:29 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 2:24 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 1:33 pm I'm assuming this was before he came back and said Pete Gotti is actually still boss

What was the whole point of Capeci sayin in 2011 that pete stepped down?

I don't know for sure but his sources made it sound like that particular change in leadership was the official end to the Gotti era and the beginning of the Sicilian faction era. Maybe because the other acting bosses D'Amico and Squintieri were thought of as Gotti loyalists and Cefalu wasn't. But both Cefalu and Cali had ties to D'Amico.

yes it absolutely made it seem like "end of the gotti era"

he even said "despite Gurinos connections" to late boss

so i find it very odd that Peter Gotti we found out later was still boss. I just wanna know does he get envelopes?? any drama comes his way??? etc

He must’ve had some influence after his arrest. Mikey scars said pete demoted him after his arrest.

I was talking currently.
he was, i guess u can say, influential after his brother went away. He participated in Window Scam as well as other things. I think we kinda dispelled the "dumb don" myth. and some have even said Pete's reign was longer then Snrs.

for him to STILL have the title.... I think symbolically means SOMETHING ... I WISH Gene would come out and start kickin ass n take the crown. but i like Hollywood stories.... except Rizzuto did do that...

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 5:10 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 4:34 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 11:29 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 2:24 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 1:33 pm I'm assuming this was before he came back and said Pete Gotti is actually still boss

What was the whole point of Capeci sayin in 2011 that pete stepped down?

I don't know for sure but his sources made it sound like that particular change in leadership was the official end to the Gotti era and the beginning of the Sicilian faction era. Maybe because the other acting bosses D'Amico and Squintieri were thought of as Gotti loyalists and Cefalu wasn't. But both Cefalu and Cali had ties to D'Amico.

yes it absolutely made it seem like "end of the gotti era"

he even said "despite Gurinos connections" to late boss

so i find it very odd that Peter Gotti we found out later was still boss. I just wanna know does he get envelopes?? any drama comes his way??? etc

He must’ve had some influence after his arrest. Mikey scars said pete demoted him after his arrest.