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Re: Florida

by Confederate » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:51 am

MikeyRiens11 wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:30 am Sorry I should have been more specific. I was interested in any activity in and north of Orlando. I know you had the Tampa family and different crews from New York operating in Miami, Boca, and Fort Lauderdale, but I never heard much about one of the families having a crew in Jacksonville or Daytona, for instance. Was there never any interest or maybe some biker gangs operating in these areas and they didn't want to deal with that? Thanks again!
Jacksonville is the deep South as is the entire panhandle of Florida which includes Tallahassee, Panama City & Pensacola. White Southerners ran some organized crime there which would have included even a KKK Chapter, especially in Jacksonville. Miami, Boca and Fort Lauderdale are not considered part of "The South" Those cities are only southern geographically,

Re: Florida

by Uncle Pete » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:13 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:11 pm Jerry Chili from Bonannos had a full S. Florida crew... I'm sure some of those members were only Fl based but on record w Bonannos.

Are you asking like that, or strictly made?
Yea, I was wondering if anyone knows of a local FL guy who ever earned their button.

Re: Florida

by JeremyTheJew » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:11 pm

Jerry Chili from Bonannos had a full S. Florida crew... I'm sure some of those members were only Fl based but on record w Bonannos.

Are you asking like that, or strictly made?

Re: Florida

by Uncle Pete » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:04 pm

Is anyone aware of a made guy from a NY family that was born and grew up in South Florida? Given the amount of made and connected guys that have been active/live down there, I’m curious to know if a made guy’s son/nephew who actually grew up down there has ever earned their stripes? I’ve always just assumed all the guys active in SoFla are ex-new yorkers and they all know each other from back in New York!

Re: Florida

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:08 pm

Nope. Different guy.


Pogo

Re: Florida

by willychichi » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:27 pm

Pogo is this Gambino Captain John Rizzo?

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John G. Rizzo once ran a Boca Raton-area operation that federal prosecutors say gamed the stock market. Rizzo did prison time and, when he got out, he allegedly got into a new racket: getting kickbacks for urine tests for people in treatment and recovery for substance abuse.

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Re: Florida

by JeremyTheJew » Wed May 23, 2018 2:29 pm

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/the-snitch-6343148

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Re: Florida

by Rocco » Wed May 23, 2018 8:35 am

Wiseguy wrote: Mon May 21, 2018 10:15 am
Rocco wrote: Mon May 21, 2018 7:11 amI think what we had was the Gambino's moving into Tampa and the Trafficante family pretty much dead so a few Trafficante associates clinged onto a Gambino crew till in imploded.
I think it was a similar situation in the early 1990s when what was left of the New Orleans family joined up with the Gambinos and Genovese in that video gambling case.
I think so too. There is obviously someone collecting cash on all those Video Poker machines in the bars in NO today. But I don't think its a LCN family. I think its long gone by now. Today its really just the NE, Chicago, Detroit and really that's about it. And some guys that relocated to FL because they like the weather and most of the Gambling Clients down there are from NY, NJ and Philly. lol After Mamone flipped it went down hill pretty fast. Guy is not worried about anyone from Tampa coming after him because there is no one. The Genovese Family and Lucchese families are not to happy with him but they aint gonna kill the guy over it old news.

Re: Florida

by Wiseguy » Mon May 21, 2018 10:15 am

Rocco wrote: Mon May 21, 2018 7:11 amI think what we had was the Gambino's moving into Tampa and the Trafficante family pretty much dead so a few Trafficante associates clinged onto a Gambino crew till in imploded.
I think it was a similar situation in the early 1990s when what was left of the New Orleans family joined up with the Gambinos and Genovese in that video gambling case.

Re: Florida

by Rocco » Mon May 21, 2018 7:11 am

Decavs are aligned with the Gambino's which is good for both families as the Gambino's bring the Decavs allot of NYC construction jobs and Decavs bring in the Gambinos into construction as well. Also gives the Decav's more juice when the backing of the Gambino family when dealing with the other NY families. BUT they are each their own families with their own structure. As for the Trafficante family. I think they are pretty much dead. And whatever the Gambinos had in Tampa more then likely died with the Alite Indictments there years and ago. They are so dead that John Mammone lives openly in South Florida with his family. I think what we had was the Gambino's moving into Tampa and the Trafficante family pretty much dead so a few Trafficante associates clinged onto a Gambino crew till in imploded.

Re: Florida

by sdeitche » Mon May 21, 2018 5:59 am

MikeyRiens11 wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:30 am Sorry I should have been more specific. I was interested in any activity in and north of Orlando. I know you had the Tampa family and different crews from New York operating in Miami, Boca, and Fort Lauderdale, but I never heard much about one of the families having a crew in Jacksonville or Daytona, for instance. Was there never any interest or maybe some biker gangs operating in these areas and they didn't want to deal with that? Thanks again!
Trafficantes had a guy or two in Jacksonville, but it wasn't a particular 'hotbed' of activity for them.

The smacker mob under Harlan Blackburn had operations up through Ocala and over into Deland and Daytona Beach (where they had gambling boss Jack Butler killed in late 1950s). Brooksville was another area the Trafficantes worked. Dont think there was much in the big bend area for them, so dont have a lot of info about that area.

Re: Florida

by Frank » Sun May 20, 2018 9:49 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 8:43 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 8:22 pm I don't get what u mean by affiliated?
like they just know eachother??? or apart of each other?
Maybe "affiliated" isn't the best word. DeCavalcante captain Charles Stango phrased it as, "Now we run under the Gambinos." The DeCavalcante criminal complaint daid, "Currently, it appears that the DCF operates under the Gambino Family of La Cosa Nostra, one of the five major crime families based in New York City (the "Gambinos")."

Once again, the DeCavalcantes remain a separate family with their own hierarchy. But they are allied with the Gambinos. The Gambino family has a certain level of influence over them and likely represents the interest of the DeCavalcantes with the other NY families. I think it was the same situation with the Gambinos and what was left of the Trafficantes. Neither family merged with the Gambinos in the sense of becoming one organization.
I believe other examples of this are Rockford and Chicago, Madison and Milwaukee and also Milwaukee and Chicago

Re: Florida

by newera_212 » Sun May 20, 2018 9:42 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 8:43 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 8:22 pm I don't get what u mean by affiliated?
like they just know eachother??? or apart of each other?
Maybe "affiliated" isn't the best word. DeCavalcante captain Charles Stango phrased it as, "Now we run under the Gambinos." The DeCavalcante criminal complaint daid, "Currently, it appears that the DCF operates under the Gambino Family of La Cosa Nostra, one of the five major crime families based in New York City (the "Gambinos")."

Once again, the DeCavalcantes remain a separate family with their own hierarchy. But they are allied with the Gambinos. The Gambino family has a certain level of influence over them and likely represents the interest of the DeCavalcantes with the other NY families. I think it was the same situation with the Gambinos and what was left of the Trafficantes. Neither family merged with the Gambinos in the sense of becoming one organization.
This is how I always took to understand it as well. seperate and autonomous but definitely not equal, almost deferential if the need arised.

I wonder for example if a made DCF soldier gets into a money dispute with a made Genovese guy... like a territory dispute over a card game or shaking down the wrong person or some bullshit.. if the DeCav guy would sit down directly with the Genovese, or if thats when the Gambino connection would come into play, and a Gambino member with more juice & networking skills would sit down instead.

I also wonder if there are any Gambino members who solely deal with the DeCavs...designated liasons bw the two administrations. Im sure there are, just wondering who they are

Re: Florida

by Wiseguy » Sun May 20, 2018 8:43 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 8:22 pm I don't get what u mean by affiliated?
like they just know eachother??? or apart of each other?
Maybe "affiliated" isn't the best word. DeCavalcante captain Charles Stango phrased it as, "Now we run under the Gambinos." The DeCavalcante criminal complaint daid, "Currently, it appears that the DCF operates under the Gambino Family of La Cosa Nostra, one of the five major crime families based in New York City (the "Gambinos")."

Once again, the DeCavalcantes remain a separate family with their own hierarchy. But they are allied with the Gambinos. The Gambino family has a certain level of influence over them and likely represents the interest of the DeCavalcantes with the other NY families. I think it was the same situation with the Gambinos and what was left of the Trafficantes. Neither family merged with the Gambinos in the sense of becoming one organization.

Re: Florida

by JeremyTheJew » Sun May 20, 2018 8:22 pm

I don't get what u mean by affiliated?
like they just know eachother??? or apart of each other?

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