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Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by JCB1977 » Thu May 03, 2018 7:28 pm

B. wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 10:19 am
toto wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 3:31 am If I remember it was Gravano who said Tronolone had a friendship with Castellano and Castellano asked him to trapped John Simone. I didn't check so might be wrong.
The Cleveland family was represented by the Genovese family on the Commission and Tronolone reached out to Tony Salerno about the Simone situation, so Salerno sent word to Tronolone that there was a contract on Simone. Tronolone ended up reassuring Simone that everything was being worked out and to return to the NY/NJ area. Simone was close to the Gambino members in Trenton like Nick Russo who reported to the Aurello crew, which is why I believe is how Castellano and Gravano got in with him to set him up. Something along those lines but maybe there was also a relationship between Castellano and Tronolone, too.
When Tronolone took over as Acting Boss after the Cleveland family was decimated, he was still close to the Genovese Family. The real relationship between Cleveland and NY goes back to Joe the Boss Masseria, his brother, Charlie Masseria who lived in Cleveland was close to Angelo Lonardo’s father and uncles as well as Tony & Frank Milano.. Angelo was very close to Tony Salerno. Just another example of how connected all these guys were through prior relationships and shared heritage.

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by JCB1977 » Thu May 03, 2018 7:22 pm

B. wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 8:09 pm Tronolone's transfer opens up the possibility that John Simone may have transferred from Buffalo>Philly as well. Simone looks to have been established with the Buffalo family before he moved to Trenton in the 1940s and had a close lifelong friendship with Tronolone (not close enough to save his life, though). No concrete reason to suspect it, but something to consider.
Excellent info B, thanks for posting

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by toto » Thu May 03, 2018 1:29 pm

I think that sounds correct and I am mistaken about the friendship with Castellano.

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by B. » Thu May 03, 2018 10:19 am

toto wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 3:31 am If I remember it was Gravano who said Tronolone had a friendship with Castellano and Castellano asked him to trapped John Simone. I didn't check so might be wrong.
The Cleveland family was represented by the Genovese family on the Commission and Tronolone reached out to Tony Salerno about the Simone situation, so Salerno sent word to Tronolone that there was a contract on Simone. Tronolone ended up reassuring Simone that everything was being worked out and to return to the NY/NJ area. Simone was close to the Gambino members in Trenton like Nick Russo who reported to the Aurello crew, which is why I believe is how Castellano and Gravano got in with him to set him up. Something along those lines but maybe there was also a relationship between Castellano and Tronolone, too.

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by toto » Thu May 03, 2018 3:31 am

If I remember it was Gravano who said Tronolone had a friendship with Castellano and Castellano asked him to trapped John Simone. I didn't check so might be wrong.

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by B. » Wed May 02, 2018 8:09 pm

Tronolone's transfer opens up the possibility that John Simone may have transferred from Buffalo>Philly as well. Simone looks to have been established with the Buffalo family before he moved to Trenton in the 1940s and had a close lifelong friendship with Tronolone (not close enough to save his life, though). No concrete reason to suspect it, but something to consider.

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by HairyKnuckles » Wed May 02, 2018 7:16 am

JCB1977 wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 6:55 am
HairyKnuckles wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 6:58 am
JCB1977 wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:15 pm John "Peanuts" Tronolone- Buffalo to Cleveland

***According to an interview with Angelo Lonardo for his documentary Sugar Wars, he stated that John "Peanuts" Tronolone was originally made by Buffalo and transferred to Cleveland. Lonardo said his brother Domenic was made in Buffalo and proposed by Peanuts for membership
Have you seen anything on Tronolone originally being a made Gambino?
I never heard or saw anything remotely close to that. I've read that Peanuts Tronolone was very close to Tony Salerno so if he was made in any family in NYC, I would have suspected the Genovese's because of his close friendship with Salerno.
Ok thanks. The FBI have him listed as a made Gambino on lists dated early 1970s. Thats most probably inaccurate. If I remember correctly, he was active down in Florida at the time and in partnership with other Gambino members. Informants probably mistook him for a Gambino soldier I guess.

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by JCB1977 » Wed May 02, 2018 6:55 am

HairyKnuckles wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 6:58 am
JCB1977 wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:15 pm John "Peanuts" Tronolone- Buffalo to Cleveland

***According to an interview with Angelo Lonardo for his documentary Sugar Wars, he stated that John "Peanuts" Tronolone was originally made by Buffalo and transferred to Cleveland. Lonardo said his brother Domenic was made in Buffalo and proposed by Peanuts for membership
Have you seen anything on Tronolone originally being a made Gambino?
I never heard or saw anything remotely close to that. I've read that Peanuts Tronolone was very close to Tony Salerno so if he was made in any family in NYC, I would have suspected the Genovese's because of his close friendship with Salerno.

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by Villain » Wed May 02, 2018 5:05 am

Antiliar do you have any info on Joe Esty aka Esposito being a member of the Outfit and later changing membership in the LA fam?

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by Stroccos » Tue May 01, 2018 8:00 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:12 pm
Stroccos wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 6:49 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 6:58 am
JCB1977 wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:15 pm John "Peanuts" Tronolone- Buffalo to Cleveland

***According to an interview with Angelo Lonardo for his documentary Sugar Wars, he stated that John "Peanuts" Tronolone was originally made by Buffalo and transferred to Cleveland. Lonardo said his brother Domenic was made in Buffalo and proposed by Peanuts for membership
Have you seen anything on Tronolone originally being a made Gambino?
Never heard that
Really? i have heard it. but can't back it up at all... so I was just waiting see if anyone else heard it
Ok

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by JeremyTheJew » Tue May 01, 2018 7:12 pm

Stroccos wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 6:49 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 6:58 am
JCB1977 wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:15 pm John "Peanuts" Tronolone- Buffalo to Cleveland

***According to an interview with Angelo Lonardo for his documentary Sugar Wars, he stated that John "Peanuts" Tronolone was originally made by Buffalo and transferred to Cleveland. Lonardo said his brother Domenic was made in Buffalo and proposed by Peanuts for membership
Have you seen anything on Tronolone originally being a made Gambino?
Never heard that
Really? i have heard it. but can't back it up at all... so I was just waiting see if anyone else heard it

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by Stroccos » Tue May 01, 2018 6:49 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 6:58 am
JCB1977 wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:15 pm John "Peanuts" Tronolone- Buffalo to Cleveland

***According to an interview with Angelo Lonardo for his documentary Sugar Wars, he stated that John "Peanuts" Tronolone was originally made by Buffalo and transferred to Cleveland. Lonardo said his brother Domenic was made in Buffalo and proposed by Peanuts for membership
Have you seen anything on Tronolone originally being a made Gambino?
Never heard that

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by HairyKnuckles » Tue May 01, 2018 6:58 am

JCB1977 wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:15 pm John "Peanuts" Tronolone- Buffalo to Cleveland

***According to an interview with Angelo Lonardo for his documentary Sugar Wars, he stated that John "Peanuts" Tronolone was originally made by Buffalo and transferred to Cleveland. Lonardo said his brother Domenic was made in Buffalo and proposed by Peanuts for membership
Have you seen anything on Tronolone originally being a made Gambino?

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by JCB1977 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:15 pm

John "Peanuts" Tronolone- Buffalo to Cleveland

***According to an interview with Angelo Lonardo for his documentary Sugar Wars, he stated that John "Peanuts" Tronolone was originally made by Buffalo and transferred to Cleveland. Lonardo said his brother Domenic was made in Buffalo and proposed by Peanuts for membership

Re: Family Transfers After 1931

by Stroccos » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:23 pm

JCB1977 wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:31 am
Stroccos wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:21 am Ralph carpinelli Detroit to Cleveland at least according to the fbi
I've never seen that confirmed
The fbi has carpinelli on the Cleveland chart , he was arrested with yonnie licavoli and did like 30-40 years in prison ,
There are Mary ferral files claiming he was taken care of by the Cleveland family while in prison

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