THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:54 pm He trashed LA and just about every member throughout the 1960's. Everyone was a "dead-head" and largely incompetent in his eyes.

Costigan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:11 pm CC, if I remember the book correctly when Brooklier & Sciortino went in, they tapped LT Dragna for acting boss. He told them he would only do it if Fratianno could come in and help him. He was so busy with his his clothing company, etc...of course he went for it. They may have been setting him up all along, LA & Chicago both, and he fell for it, hook line & sinker.
On his book "Vengeance is Mine", I didn't like it near as much as Last Mafioso. One thing I remember about it, when Jimmy was relocated to a different part of the country through witsec he eventually got to know his neighbors & told them who he was. That's funny.

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:59 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:47 am Didn’t even know he had another book , Is it any good ?

Yes, it's a solid sequel to TLM dealing with his life after the mob: his relocations, allowance, court cases, testifying against Funzi etc. Good source of information, I highly recommend.

Side note: I believe it was The Enforcer by Roemer who described Fratianno as a Chicago soldier who never rose beyond that rank who died bitter. He didn't connect him to LA at all.

Stroccos wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:47 am Didn’t even know he had another book , Is it any good ?

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:43 am

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:16 am Re. The Last Mafioso with Demaris.

Great book. One of my top ten. But as for using it as a bible, beware the warning:

"In the interest of clarity, I had made a few minor deviations in the time sequence, and, for the purpose of exposition, it was necessary in rare instances to combine in some scenes several conversations into one or vice versa. But at no time were there any departures from the real verifiable events... In all, I tape recorded nearly two million words in my conversations with Jimmy, his friends, relatives, and others. "

Even though Antiliar already explained this but still...nice

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:08 am Fratianno's 2nd Book, Vengeance is Mine with Michael J Zuckerman (who he also sued!)

We heard from informants that Bomp was traveling around the country, talking to the bosses, plotting to get Bonanno reinstated so they could take over.
Fratianno: "There may have been rumors, but there was no fuckin plot. Look, Bomp wasn't interested in taking over LA. You have to be elected boss by the members and Bomp didn't have the juice for that. And Bonanno knows there's no way he's going back into action. I don't even know the guy, never spoke to him. But he knows New York would clip him in a hot fuckin minute if he tried to get back into this thing.

To be honest with you, I know Bomp used to talk like that. I mean, he'd say things like 'I'm taking over this Family' and 'Those guys don't tell me what to do in San Diego, this is my town.' But the only guy who ever thought about taking over was me. I had the juice to get elected boss if Sciortino and Brooklier weren't in my way. And I had a really good crew, guys who weren't afraid to do a little work."

Q: Mr. Joseph Bonanno, Sr., is a friend of yours, is he not?
A: I don't even know him, sir; never met him in my life.
Q: And you know his sons, do you not?
A: No, I don't, sir.
Q: Joe Bonanno, Sr.?
A: No, sir.
Q: Joe Bonanno, Jr.?
A: No, sir.
Q: Bill Bonanno?
A: No, sir.
Q: You told Mr. Demaris that when you went back to New York- and this is before the killing of Mr. Bompensiero- that Funzi Tieri told you that he had heard that you were going to Tucsan to see Mr. Bonanno?
A: That's correct. That's what he told me that he had heard.
Q: You were angry at Mr. Bompensiero because he was telling people that you were seeing Mr. Bonanno; isn't that correct?
A: Well, I wouldn't say I was happy. But I wasn't angry with him. I didn't know for sure if it was him telling it. I had an idea- that was my opinion.
Q: This telephone number that you say you used to call Mr. Bompensiero... is the same number that, in fact, Mr. Bonanno had to call; isn't that correct?
A: I don't know that, sir.
Q: And in fact, the day before Mr. Bompensiero was killed, at that meting in San Francisco with Mr. Bompensiero and Jimmy Styles, you told Mr. Bompensiero in the presence of Mr. Styles and Mr. Petti that you were going to call Mr. Bompensiero the next night, didn't you?
A: No, I did not, Sir.
Q: And, in fact, you did call mr Bompensiero the next night; isn't that correct?
A: That is not correct, sir.
Q: And you got him to the phone booth so that, in fact, you and Mr. Bonanno and his sons could execute Mr. Bompensiero as he walked from the telephone booth?
A: That is a lie, sir.

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:16 am Re. The Last Mafioso with Demaris.

Great book. One of my top ten. But as for using it as a bible, beware the warning:

"In the interest of clarity, I had made a few minor deviations in the time sequence, and, for the purpose of exposition, it was necessary in rare instances to combine in some scenes several conversations into one or vice versa. But at no time were there any departures from the real verifiable events... In all, I tape recorded nearly two million words in my conversations with Jimmy, his friends, relatives, and others. "

We heard from informants that Bomp was traveling around the country, talking to the bosses, plotting to get Bonanno reinstated so they could take over.
Fratianno: "There may have been rumors, but there was no fuckin plot. Look, Bomp wasn't interested in taking over LA. You have to be elected boss by the members and Bomp didn't have the juice for that. And Bonanno knows there's no way he's going back into action. I don't even know the guy, never spoke to him. But he knows New York would clip him in a hot fuckin minute if he tried to get back into this thing.

To be honest with you, I know Bomp used to talk like that. I mean, he'd say things like 'I'm taking over this Family' and 'Those guys don't tell me what to do in San Diego, this is my town.' But the only guy who ever thought about taking over was me. I had the juice to get elected boss if Sciortino and Brooklier weren't in my way. And I had a really good crew, guys who weren't afraid to do a little work."

Q: Mr. Joseph Bonanno, Sr., is a friend of yours, is he not?
A: I don't even know him, sir; never met him in my life.
Q: And you know his sons, do you not?
A: No, I don't, sir.
Q: Joe Bonanno, Sr.?
A: No, sir.
Q: Joe Bonanno, Jr.?
A: No, sir.
Q: Bill Bonanno?
A: No, sir.
Q: You told Mr. Demaris that when you went back to New York- and this is before the killing of Mr. Bompensiero- that Funzi Tieri told you that he had heard that you were going to Tucsan to see Mr. Bonanno?
A: That's correct. That's what he told me that he had heard.
Q: You were angry at Mr. Bompensiero because he was telling people that you were seeing Mr. Bonanno; isn't that correct?
A: Well, I wouldn't say I was happy. But I wasn't angry with him. I didn't know for sure if it was him telling it. I had an idea- that was my opinion.
Q: This telephone number that you say you used to call Mr. Bompensiero... is the same number that, in fact, Mr. Bonanno had to call; isn't that correct?
A: I don't know that, sir.
Q: And in fact, the day before Mr. Bompensiero was killed, at that meting in San Francisco with Mr. Bompensiero and Jimmy Styles, you told Mr. Bompensiero in the presence of Mr. Styles and Mr. Petti that you were going to call Mr. Bompensiero the next night, didn't you?
A: No, I did not, Sir.
Q: And, in fact, you did call mr Bompensiero the next night; isn't that correct?
A: That is not correct, sir.
Q: And you got him to the phone booth so that, in fact, you and Mr. Bonanno and his sons could execute Mr. Bompensiero as he walked from the telephone booth?
A: That is a lie, sir.

Stroccos wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:40 am How many made guys were In la say 1960?