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Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by funkster » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:20 pm

Young, surprised when I saw this earlier.

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Snakes » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:20 pm

No relation

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Confederate » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:18 pm

Is he related to Frank Calabrese or do they just happen to have the same last name?

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Snakes » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:12 pm

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Villain » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:51 am

Thanks guys

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by FriendofFamily » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:02 am

Always good to hear Villain's stories...

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by CabriniGreen » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:12 am

Great stuff....

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Villain » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:16 pm

As Confederate already said they used to kill people of almost every type of profile, in many different ways, on many different locations and in many different situations. And as he also pointed out, they didnt kill people only around the states but they also did it in other countries, especially around Central and South America. For example a lot of people went missing when Larner arrived in Panama or when Giancana sent Cain to Madrid and to tell you the truth, the CIA didnt come to these fellas for nothing. So my point is that wherever the Outfit had some interest, if a problem occurred then they usually solved it right there, no matter the distance but in Gotti's case, they obviously were only disappointed with the whole bringing down the heat thing and possibly with the problem of killing a boss, since they never really liked that with Big Jim Colosimo (1920) and Giancana (1975) being the only exceptions.

In addition, for those who are interested in the convo which allegedly occurred between Ricca and Accardo, this is what I once wrote:

In a Northwest Side restaurant in August, 1972, the two former directors of Chicago’s criminal underworld sat at a back table and discussed current activities while having lunch. They resembled of Statler and Waldorf, the famous pair of the comedy series “The Muppet Show” but in Mafia style. Now witness the following conversation, which took place between the two elder statesmen…first, Accardo laid the groundwork for the exchange: A certain New York family, he told his friend of many years, had been trying to keep all the rackets for itself. It was this family that was to blame for the scandalous violence. "That family is having a lot of trouble," Accardo continued, “They want to keep it all in the family. The mother wants all the black market, which means $600,000 or $700,000 a year. And the son wants all the extortion rackets. The son placed himself in a bad position on that." Ricca nodded gravely and grunted his agreement. The two old hoodlums were constantly eating and most of their words became muffled by their vocal gourmet artistry. It was clear that Accardo and Ricca were talking about the Colombo crime family and were obviously dismayed at the gunning down of the family boss Joseph Colombo, as he addressed an Italian-American Civil Rights League. They recalled the murder of another old friend of the national mob commission days, Tommy Eboli, who was also a victim of the East Coast warfare on July 16, 1972. They even discussed Eboli’s partner and their long time friend, Louie DeChiaro who was in charge of looking after Eboli’s sons Thomas Jr. and Louis. In fact, Louis Eboli was member of the Outfit located in the Stone Park area. They discussed the situation of their dead father in New York, and that DeChiaro was walking the streets of Chicago in the company of two bodyguards. But Accardo and Ricca were in no mood to permit similar indiscretions in Chicago so they assured DeChiaro and the Eboli brothers that nothing was going to happen to them. By the end of the meeting both Mafiosi closed their dialog by stating "Better them than us," Accardo offered philosophically. "You're right, Joe," Ricca replied, "Better them than us." With these last statements, they definitely showed their frame of mind.

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Confederate » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:29 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:05 pm
Confederate wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:32 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:10 pm The Outfit probably disapproved of the Castellano hit, for however much they even cared at that point, since they had their own problems at the time. It had no direct effect on them and, as has been said, their only indirect connection was their ties to the Genovese at the time. But the idea the Outfit circa 1986 is going to send hitmen to take out the two top Gambino guys is right out of fantasy land.
Not trying to speak for Villain, but I believe he said that IF Gotti and Gravano had disrupted any of Chicago's business, he believes the Outfit had the capability in 1986 of killing those two with of course the approval and aid of the Genovese Family who hated Gotti anyway. It is just an opinion since it is hypothetical. The Genovese Family and the Outfit cooperating to kill Gotti and Gravano because of business is not a completely far fetched thing that could never have happened. Let's put it this way, stranger things have happened like Paul Castellano and Bilotti being killed without Commission approval or Giancana being killed in his own home while the Police were supposedly watching 24/7.
I usually don't indulge in hypotheticals but, hypothetically speaking, it would likely be a case of the Outfit encouraging or throwing their vocal support behind the Genovese to take Gotti and Gravano out. Not sending their own hitmen 800 miles to New York (or even further to Florida) to do the job themselves. That's totally different than NY guys killing NY guys or Chicago guys killing Chicago guys.
I hear what you're saying but we'll never know, LOL. The Mob had very inventive ways of killing people. Luciano sent 4 Jews posing as I.R.S. guys to kill Maranzano. Gallo had some black guy shoot Colombo, other mob hits have been guys sent in from another State or even another Country to do the Job. Anything was possible with those guys, at least at that time years ago, when they had real power.

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Wiseguy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:05 pm

Confederate wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:32 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:10 pm The Outfit probably disapproved of the Castellano hit, for however much they even cared at that point, since they had their own problems at the time. It had no direct effect on them and, as has been said, their only indirect connection was their ties to the Genovese at the time. But the idea the Outfit circa 1986 is going to send hitmen to take out the two top Gambino guys is right out of fantasy land.
Not trying to speak for Villain, but I believe he said that IF Gotti and Gravano had disrupted any of Chicago's business, he believes the Outfit had the capability in 1986 of killing those two with of course the approval and aid of the Genovese Family who hated Gotti anyway. It is just an opinion since it is hypothetical. The Genovese Family and the Outfit cooperating to kill Gotti and Gravano because of business is not a completely far fetched thing that could never have happened. Let's put it this way, stranger things have happened like Paul Castellano and Bilotti being killed without Commission approval or Giancana being killed in his own home while the Police were supposedly watching 24/7.
I usually don't indulge in hypotheticals but, hypothetically speaking, it would likely be a case of the Outfit encouraging or throwing their vocal support behind the Genovese to take Gotti and Gravano out. Not sending their own hitmen 800 miles to New York (or even further to Florida) to do the job themselves. That's totally different than NY guys killing NY guys or Chicago guys killing Chicago guys.

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Confederate » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:25 pm

Snakes wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:21 pm I don't think the Outfit cared enough about the East Coast to warrant killing those guys. Yeah, they were upset but why bother if the Genovese were gonna handle it anyway?
I think you missed Villain's point. Of course Chicago didn't care enough to step in against Gotti and Gravano. Why should they?
What villain was saying was HYPOTHETICALLY IF Gotti and Gravano disrupted some kind of Chicago's union or other business, THEN they certainly had the capability along with of course the approval and cooperation of the Genovese Family to kill Gotti and Gravano. It's all based upon a HYPOTHETICAL disruption of business, not on what really happened in 1985.

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Snakes » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:21 pm

I don't think the Outfit cared enough about the East Coast to warrant killing those guys. Yeah, they were upset but why bother if the Genovese were gonna handle it anyway?

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by JeremyTheJew » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:19 pm

i dont think they would step in based on the "stepping on toes" issue. esp bc chi pressed the west was theres.

that was around the straw man case time wasnt it?

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Confederate » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:32 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:10 pm The Outfit probably disapproved of the Castellano hit, for however much they even cared at that point, since they had their own problems at the time. It had no direct effect on them and, as has been said, their only indirect connection was their ties to the Genovese at the time. But the idea the Outfit circa 1986 is going to send hitmen to take out the two top Gambino guys is right out of fantasy land.
Not trying to speak for Villain, but I believe he said that IF Gotti and Gravano had disrupted any of Chicago's business, he believes the Outfit had the capability in 1986 of killing those two with of course the approval and aid of the Genovese Family who hated Gotti anyway. It is just an opinion since it is hypothetical. The Genovese Family and the Outfit cooperating to kill Gotti and Gravano because of business is not a completely far fetched thing that could never have happened. Let's put it this way, stranger things have happened like Paul Castellano and Bilotti being killed without Commission approval or Giancana being killed in his own home while the Police were supposedly watching 24/7.

Re: The Chicago Outfit’s Activities Today?

by Wiseguy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:10 pm

The Outfit probably disapproved of the Castellano hit, for however much they even cared at that point, since they had their own problems at the time. It had no direct effect on them and, as has been said, their only indirect connection was their ties to the Genovese at the time. But the idea the Outfit circa 1986 is going to send hitmen to take out the two top Gambino guys is right out of fantasy land.

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