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Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by Raven » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:19 am

Rava was arrested at least twice with Genovese members or associates. Mauro Manna may have been a Genovese member. Another article I found says Manna was friends with Anastasia.

It's probably impossible to know how Rava got with Anastasia. These guys probably all knew each other. Rava and Gambino both lived on Ocean Avenue in Brooklyn.

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by HairyKnuckles » Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:05 am

Chris Christie wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:06 pm This is all interesting.

Here's a list of (not complete) of the non-Sicilian Gambinos 1930-1950. I can do the research (I'd rather not), does anyone know where any of these names were based? For instance the Corbi's were in Balt and the Anastasio's in BK.

Parisi-Gioacchino - Pittston, PA
Rucci-Louis
LiConti-Carmelo
Florino-Joseph
Crisalli-Vincent
Romeo-Anthony
Anastasio-Umberto - BK
Anastasio-Anthony Snr. - BK
Anastasio-Guiseppe - BK
Giustra-John - BK
LePore-Vincent
Cantalupo-Emillio*
Gargano-Mario
Luciano-Frank
Corbi-Frank - BM, MD
Corbi-Pasquale MD, MD
D'Argenio-Edward
Zappi-Ettore
Eppolito-Luigi*
Belfiore-Giuseppe
Rucci lived in Jersey City, NJ but don´t know anything else about him. He was probably not made.
Liconti was a South Brooklyn guy, probably Red Hook.
Crisalli - Red Hook.
LePore - Bronx ???
Cantalupo - Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. Probably not made.
Luciano was based in Bronx, member of Biondo´s crew (Riccobono-Armone-Dongarra)
Zappi was based in Brooklyn (South Brooklyn, had interests in Brownsville and East NY too if memory serves)
Eppolito - Brooklyn

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by AlexfromSouth » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:32 am

B. wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:48 pm
AlexfromSouth wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:31 pm Also it dosen't say when Rizzo was a captain. Maybe that it was before Rava and Anastasia took Rizzo down when he become boss or something like that.
I don't believe that Rizzo became a captain in 1957 like the succession chart on here says. Rizzo was an elderly Palermitani and longtime influence in Brooklyn before that. I can't remember if JD covered it in his post that's now deleted, but Rava had associated with Rizzo early on, before Rava was himself a family leader, and from my limited understanding, Rava seems to have been given his own crew, taken over another group, or otherwise split off from Rizzo during Anastasia's run as boss. What I'd be interested in knowing is how Rava was tied to Anastasia exactly. They were both of mainland heritage but I haven't gotten the impression that Rava came up under Anastasia. I'd have to recheck, but I remember finding more than one tie between Rava and Genovese members back when Rava was an associate. Remember that John Robilotto, who was another one of Anastasia's top loyalists involved in the conflict after Anastasia's murder, was originally a Genovese associate. Would be interesting if Rava had originally been with the Genovese at one point, too.

Side note, but there was some interesting "trading" of associates going on with Anastasia. On a vague recording, Scoops Licata of Philly claimed that Tony Caponigro and Dominick Luciano (both Calabrians) were originally with Anastasia before the Philly family. Caponigro seems to have at least run in the same circles as Anastasia in NJ, where he lived. Licata was originally an associate on record with Caponigro so he has some weight (literally and figuratively). Anastasia is a fascinating guy beyond all of the "Mad Hatter" and "Murder Inc" hype.
Interasting point B. My thinking is that it's posible that Rava was a Genovese asoci. early on giving his early adress 662 4th ave and his good relationship with Toddo Marino the genovese capo who had the Dixie tavern on 5th ave. Close to the 662 4th ave adress Rava had. He also had been close to Harry Fontana the profaci capo. I don't think that there is a 100 percent sure way to know but it's more than posible. Also wondering is there more info on Petey Pumps Ferrara? Remmber that HK had posted some good info on BB years ago, was he a palermitan or?

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by Angelo Santino » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:06 pm

This is all interesting.

Here's a list of (not complete) of the non-Sicilian Gambinos 1930-1950. I can do the research (I'd rather not), does anyone know where any of these names were based? For instance the Corbi's were in Balt and the Anastasio's in BK.

Parisi-Gioacchino - Pittston, PA
Rucci-Louis
LiConti-Carmelo
Florino-Joseph
Crisalli-Vincent
Romeo-Anthony
Anastasio-Umberto - BK
Anastasio-Anthony Snr. - BK
Anastasio-Guiseppe - BK
Giustra-John - BK
LePore-Vincent
Cantalupo-Emillio*
Gargano-Mario
Luciano-Frank
Corbi-Frank - BM, MD
Corbi-Pasquale MD, MD
D'Argenio-Edward
Zappi-Ettore
Eppolito-Luigi*
Belfiore-Giuseppe

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by B. » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:48 pm

AlexfromSouth wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:31 pm Also it dosen't say when Rizzo was a captain. Maybe that it was before Rava and Anastasia took Rizzo down when he become boss or something like that.
I don't believe that Rizzo became a captain in 1957 like the succession chart on here says. Rizzo was an elderly Palermitani and longtime influence in Brooklyn before that. I can't remember if JD covered it in his post that's now deleted, but Rava had associated with Rizzo early on, before Rava was himself a family leader, and from my limited understanding, Rava seems to have been given his own crew, taken over another group, or otherwise split off from Rizzo during Anastasia's run as boss. What I'd be interested in knowing is how Rava was tied to Anastasia exactly. They were both of mainland heritage but I haven't gotten the impression that Rava came up under Anastasia. I'd have to recheck, but I remember finding more than one tie between Rava and Genovese members back when Rava was an associate. Remember that John Robilotto, who was another one of Anastasia's top loyalists involved in the conflict after Anastasia's murder, was originally a Genovese associate. Would be interesting if Rava had originally been with the Genovese at one point, too.

Side note, but there was some interesting "trading" of associates going on with Anastasia. On a vague recording, Scoops Licata of Philly claimed that Tony Caponigro and Dominick Luciano (both Calabrians) were originally with Anastasia before the Philly family. Caponigro seems to have at least run in the same circles as Anastasia in NJ, where he lived. Licata was originally an associate on record with Caponigro so he has some weight (literally and figuratively). Anastasia is a fascinating guy beyond all of the "Mad Hatter" and "Murder Inc" hype.

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by AlexfromSouth » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:37 am

Yes DeCiccos father Vincent(who was not sicilian) was in the Rava crew before it split up as were Failla, Aurello, Rizzo, Ferrara..Neil Dellacroce as well, etc.

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by Angelo Santino » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:29 am

AlexfromSouth wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:26 pm
Chris Christie wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:56 am https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 576618.pdf

Very much implies that Rizzo is still alive and Rava is presumed dead (1963). Doesn't directly say Rizzo and Rava share a crew lineage, only that they were close, so it could go either way. Anthony Rizzo was Palermitan', not saying it's impossible but given that this crew has been traditionally Napolitan in Mulberry, I would think it would have been someone from Little Italy, Sunset, West Side or Tomkinsville in S.I. But I've been wrong before and this has never been an exact science.
I don't know, Jimmy brown Failla, Toddo Aurello, Petey pumps Ferrara, Rizzo they were all sicilians and a lot more probably.. DeCicco wasn't sicilian he was in that crew also..from Bath beach
Do you mean DeCicco was or wasn't? Forgive my lack of common knowledge on most things post 40's but I was under the impression that Failla, Aurello and DeCicco were all, by the early 80's, part of the so-called "Castellano wing". Are you saying some were formerly part of the same crew? Thanks.

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by AlexfromSouth » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:31 pm

Also it dosen't say when Rizzo was a captain. Maybe that it was before Rava and Anastasia took Rizzo down when he become boss or something like that.

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by AlexfromSouth » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:26 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:56 am https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 576618.pdf

Very much implies that Rizzo is still alive and Rava is presumed dead (1963). Doesn't directly say Rizzo and Rava share a crew lineage, only that they were close, so it could go either way. Anthony Rizzo was Palermitan', not saying it's impossible but given that this crew has been traditionally Napolitan in Mulberry, I would think it would have been someone from Little Italy, Sunset, West Side or Tomkinsville in S.I. But I've been wrong before and this has never been an exact science.
I don't know, Jimmy brown Failla, Toddo Aurello, Petey pumps Ferrara, Rizzo they were all sicilians and a lot more probably.. DeCicco wasn't sicilian he was in that crew also..from Bath beach

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by moneyman » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:27 pm

Thought this question was somewhat related to the topic. I was listening to the Gotti episode on the Mafia podcast. Bruce Mouw mentions that one of the things Casetllano did that upset Gotti was transferring Joe Laforte from Gotti's crew to another crew (I can't remember which, If I recall correctly I think the timeframe was in 1985)

I did some research and came across an article from 1987 stating that Laforte and Gotti were on bad terms.

Does anyone have any information on the history of the Laforte/Gotti relationship? Mouw somewhat implies the Laforte and Gotti were on good terms at one point. The article states that at the time Laforte was ousted by the Gambinos, I'm assuming that's incorrect.

Here is a link to the article I was referring to.

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/06/nyre ... gotti.html

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by Angelo Santino » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:56 am

https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 576618.pdf

Very much implies that Rizzo is still alive and Rava is presumed dead (1963). Doesn't directly say Rizzo and Rava share a crew lineage, only that they were close, so it could go either way. Anthony Rizzo was Palermitan', not saying it's impossible but given that this crew has been traditionally Napolitan in Mulberry, I would think it would have been someone from Little Italy, Sunset, West Side or Tomkinsville in S.I. But I've been wrong before and this has never been an exact science.

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by AlexfromSouth » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:55 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:15 pm
Chris Christie wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:40 am How far back can we trace the Dellacroce Crew back? I presume the 1960's with Armand Rava with pre-1950's being an open question? But correct me but it seems most of them came from Mulberry St with a few stragglers in Staten Island and Brooklyn.
Rava is the earliest known captain of the crew. Considering how close he was to Anastasia, I wouldn´t be surprised if Rava was given a crew that was created for him. Possibly his crew was a merger of two consisting crews (one based in Manhattan and the other in Brooklyn).
Dont remmember who, but someone over here said that maybe Anthony Rizzo was capo before Rava. Rava, one of my favorite reads as you know HK..There was a thread about Rava by JD, but unforunatly JD took it down. Maybe he will put it on his blog

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by Angelo Santino » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:52 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:15 pm
Chris Christie wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:40 am How far back can we trace the Dellacroce Crew back? I presume the 1960's with Armand Rava with pre-1950's being an open question? But correct me but it seems most of them came from Mulberry St with a few stragglers in Staten Island and Brooklyn.
Rava is the earliest known captain of the crew. Considering how close he was to Anastasia, I wouldn´t be surprised if Rava was given a crew that was created for him. Possibly his crew was a merger of two consisting crews (one based in Manhattan and the other in Brooklyn).
See, I'm seeing a thriving Neapolitan underworld in Lower Manhattan, not necessarily camorra or anything organized into a hierarchy, but a budding garden of potential mob recruits. And this would have been 1910's.

Rava was born in 1911 to Angelo and Mary Rava. Angelo Rava came from Casserta, immigrated in 1900. In 1909 he was naturalized and he listed 74 Mott St as his address. In 1920 the Ravas lived on Bayard St also in the city. He had a kid in 1933 where he lived at 662 4th Ave in Sunset Park. In 1940 he was indicted along with 121 others in an alcohol ring, lived at 1444 68th St. In 1942 he plead guilty on that charge. 1956 he was at Appalachin. So he was a Brooklyn guy but roots in Little Italy.

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by HairyKnuckles » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:15 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:40 am How far back can we trace the Dellacroce Crew back? I presume the 1960's with Armand Rava with pre-1950's being an open question? But correct me but it seems most of them came from Mulberry St with a few stragglers in Staten Island and Brooklyn.
Rava is the earliest known captain of the crew. Considering how close he was to Anastasia, I wouldn´t be surprised if Rava was given a crew that was created for him. Possibly his crew was a merger of two consisting crews (one based in Manhattan and the other in Brooklyn).

Re: HK's "Neil Dellacroce Crew 1960's (made guys)" BB Post

by Angelo Santino » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:40 am

How far back can we trace the Dellacroce Crew back? I presume the 1960's with Armand Rava with pre-1950's being an open question? But correct me but it seems most of them came from Mulberry St with a few stragglers in Staten Island and Brooklyn.

Staten Island, to my surprise was the Ital's 3rd colony in NY (before 1900 BK was it's own city) after Mulberry Bend and Little Italy, it was S.I. or 'Nevarca' or Newark in Jersey. Nobody wanted to go to Brooklyn, it was considered "a place of cemeteries" and where people go to die. This changed after it become one city and in a generation everyone trashed Staten Islanders (Welcome to the 4 boroughs, now go back to Jersey!) and now they all live there. All these areas had a high concentration of Napolitans.

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