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gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:34 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:15 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 3:10 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:43 pm Just found this thread, and its a great discussion. Any idea who all of the active Mancuso supporters are? The ones that come to mind for me are John Spirito Jr, Ernest Aiello, Vinny tv, Enzo Stagno, Pat Maiorino. Who else?

Off the top of my head I can also think of capo John Palazzolo, as well as possibly capos John Sciremammano and the Caroleo Bros. (acting capos).

Are there images of the Caroleo bros?

A quick google didn’t turn up any.

And who are they acting for?

It's only Vincent 'Vinny Goo' Caroleo who is an acting capo, actually. Just double-checked that now. He is a Staten Island-based acting capo and operates two auto body stores in Staten Island and Queens. He was spotted meeting with John Palazzolo in 2014. He was spotted meeting with Bobby Attanasio in 2017.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:15 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 3:10 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:43 pm Just found this thread, and its a great discussion. Any idea who all of the active Mancuso supporters are? The ones that come to mind for me are John Spirito Jr, Ernest Aiello, Vinny tv, Enzo Stagno, Pat Maiorino. Who else?

Off the top of my head I can also think of capo John Palazzolo, as well as possibly capos John Sciremammano and the Caroleo Bros. (acting capos).

Are there images of the Caroleo bros?

A quick google didn’t turn up any.

And who are they acting for?

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 3:10 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:43 pm Just found this thread, and its a great discussion. Any idea who all of the active Mancuso supporters are? The ones that come to mind for me are John Spirito Jr, Ernest Aiello, Vinny tv, Enzo Stagno, Pat Maiorino. Who else?

Off the top of my head I can also think of capo John Palazzolo, as well as possibly capos John Sciremammano and the Caroleo Bros. (acting capos).

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:43 pm Just found this thread, and its a great discussion. Any idea who all of the active Mancuso supporters are? The ones that come to mind for me are John Spirito Jr, Ernest Aiello, Vinny tv, Enzo Stagno, Pat Maiorino. Who else?

B. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:32 am Basciano also wanted to hit Patty DeFilippo, who Mancuso had been close to for years. Basciano had an outburst in court when Tommy Lee testified about it. Basciano seems to have been having problems with members of his former crew for a while before he became acting boss. Whether this factored into the issues that Cicale/Basciano had with Mancuso is hard to say but I would guess they weren't close friends by that time.

Montagna took over as acting boss after Mancuso and people at the time had the misconception that he was some kind of young Basciano stooge, but Montagna was a zip who went from the Sicilians Amato/Sciascia to DeFilippo, where he stayed after Basciano was given his own crew. Basciano was out of the picture by the time Montagna took over, so the question is if Montagna was taking orders from Mancuso or otherwise operating on his behalf, or if Montagna was by then running the family on his own authority?

We know Montagna was a force to be reckoned with but it's unlikely that Mancuso dipped out of the picture in 2006, only to grab the boss position out of nowhere years into his prison sentence. It's more likely he was the defacto boss from 2006 and was able to keep that influence through to becoming official boss. The key to figuring this out would be to know who ultimately ordered or approved the Seccafico hit. It was the murder of a Bronx soldier while Montagna was acting boss, so Montagna was likely a key part of the conspiracy, but did the final order come from Mancuso? Seccafico had disrespected DeFilippo and the Spiritos, Mancuso's people. He likely had an opinion on it at the very least.

It's popular to downplay the so-called "Bronx faction" (which includes non-Bronx members) but keep in mind the Bronx faction has been responsible for just about all of the family's murders since 1999, starting with Sciascia, the hits done by Basciano's people, and then Seccafico. You could even stretch it and say that the Montreal hits Montagna was involved with were indirectly related because of his ties to that faction. It's possible that even through attrition, prison sentences, etc. the Bronx faction has a reputation for violence that has kept Mancuso in place.

B. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:32 am Basciano also wanted to hit Patty DeFilippo, who Mancuso had been close to for years. Basciano had an outburst in court when Tommy Lee testified about it. Basciano seems to have been having problems with members of his former crew for a while before he became acting boss. Whether this factored into the issues that Cicale/Basciano had with Mancuso is hard to say but I would guess they weren't close friends by that time.

Montagna took over as acting boss after Mancuso and people at the time had the misconception that he was some kind of young Basciano stooge, but Montagna was a zip who went from the Sicilians Amato/Sciascia to DeFilippo, where he stayed after Basciano was given his own crew. Basciano was out of the picture by the time Montagna took over, so the question is if Montagna was taking orders from Mancuso or otherwise operating on his behalf, or if Montagna was by then running the family on his own authority?

We know Montagna was a force to be reckoned with but it's unlikely that Mancuso dipped out of the picture in 2006, only to grab the boss position out of nowhere years into his prison sentence. It's more likely he was the defacto boss from 2006 and was able to keep that influence through to becoming official boss. The key to figuring this out would be to know who ultimately ordered or approved the Seccafico hit. It was the murder of a Bronx soldier while Montagna was acting boss, so Montagna was likely a key part of the conspiracy, but did the final order come from Mancuso? Seccafico had disrespected DeFilippo and the Spiritos, Mancuso's people. He likely had an opinion on it at the very least.

It's popular to downplay the so-called "Bronx faction" (which includes non-Bronx members) but keep in mind the Bronx faction has been responsible for just about all of the family's murders since 1999, starting with Sciascia, the hits done by Basciano's people, and then Seccafico. You could even stretch it and say that the Montreal hits Montagna was involved with were indirectly related because of his ties to that faction. It's possible that even through attrition, prison sentences, etc. the Bronx faction has a reputation for violence that has kept Mancuso in place.

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:33 pm

Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:37 pm While it's no surprise Mancuso didn't lose respect from fellow mafiosi after killing his wife (another example of the "code of honor" hypocrisy), still it's weird how he manages to dodge life sentences; the wife killing alone was a senseless murder of an innocent person that theoretically shouldn't even include a parole elegibility, and now he is in jail for ANOTHER murder, and still will be getting out, even though he never ratted.

Welcome to our great American justice system.


Pogo

Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:37 pm While it's no surprise Mancuso didn't lose respect from fellow mafiosi after killing his wife (another example of the "code of honor" hypocrisy), still it's weird how he manages to dodge life sentences; the wife killing alone was a senseless murder of an innocent person that theoretically shouldn't even include a parole elegibility, and now he is in jail for ANOTHER murder, and still will be getting out, even though he never ratted.

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:31 pm

Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:37 pm While it's no surprise Mancuso didn't lose respect from fellow mafiosi after killing his wife (another example of the "code of honor" hypocrisy), still it's weird how he manages to dodge life sentences; the wife killing alone was a senseless murder of an innocent person that theoretically shouldn't even include a parole elegibility, and now he is in jail for ANOTHER murder, and still will be getting out, even though he never ratted.

what is he away for this time exactly?

Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:37 pm While it's no surprise Mancuso didn't lose respect from fellow mafiosi after killing his wife (another example of the "code of honor" hypocrisy), still it's weird how he manages to dodge life sentences; the wife killing alone was a senseless murder of an innocent person that theoretically shouldn't even include a parole elegibility, and now he is in jail for ANOTHER murder, and still will be getting out, even though he never ratted.

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:35 amI've seen people post that Mancuso wasn't respected because he killed his wife, which struck me as ridiculous. My examples (just two..) were Granello and Trigger Mike from the " Ivey League", the Genovese. Point being that killing his wife wouldn't be enough to make him lack respect on the streets or in prison.

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:35 am In this era of a mob that tries to limit violence, I find it very telling that violent guys like Maddonna and Mancuso get boss positions.
So either he had 1. A very powerful ( respected, known for violence, maybe not necessarily big earners, sorta like the Bergin) crew.
2. Backing from a majority of the family crews. ( kinda like Cammaranno now)
3. Backing from the other families, which I always found intriguing, because the Genovese and Luchesses
have strong Bronx factions. Now by backing what I mean is that, Mancuso is a known killer, already locked up. With all the rats and undercovers, the families might place a higher priority on guys who simply can keep their mouths shut. And aren't in a position to hurt them, no ones going to meet with Mancuso in jail right? So it's , " safe(?)" for the other bosses to have him there on top? Just a thought.....

I got some more questions, I gotta gather my thoughts. Any insights you guys have are greatly appreciated....

B. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:32 am Basciano also wanted to hit Patty DeFilippo, who Mancuso had been close to for years. Basciano had an outburst in court when Tommy Lee testified about it. Basciano seems to have been having problems with members of his former crew for a while before he became acting boss. Whether this factored into the issues that Cicale/Basciano had with Mancuso is hard to say but I would guess they weren't close friends by that time.

Montagna took over as acting boss after Mancuso and people at the time had the misconception that he was some kind of young Basciano stooge, but Montagna was a zip who went from the Sicilians Amato/Sciascia to DeFilippo, where he stayed after Basciano was given his own crew. Basciano was out of the picture by the time Montagna took over, so the question is if Montagna was taking orders from Mancuso or otherwise operating on his behalf, or if Montagna was by then running the family on his own authority?

We know Montagna was a force to be reckoned with but it's unlikely that Mancuso dipped out of the picture in 2006, only to grab the boss position out of nowhere years into his prison sentence. It's more likely he was the defacto boss from 2006 and was able to keep that influence through to becoming official boss. The key to figuring this out would be to know who ultimately ordered or approved the Seccafico hit. It was the murder of a Bronx soldier while Montagna was acting boss, so Montagna was likely a key part of the conspiracy, but did the final order come from Mancuso? Seccafico had disrespected DeFilippo and the Spiritos, Mancuso's people. He likely had an opinion on it at the very least.

It's popular to downplay the so-called "Bronx faction" (which includes non-Bronx members) but keep in mind the Bronx faction has been responsible for just about all of the family's murders since 1999, starting with Sciascia, the hits done by Basciano's people, and then Seccafico. You could even stretch it and say that the Montreal hits Montagna was involved with were indirectly related because of his ties to that faction. It's possible that even through attrition, prison sentences, etc. the Bronx faction has a reputation for violence that has kept Mancuso in place.