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Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by Lupara » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:37 pm

Also, it appears that there is tension among factions of the Montreal Mafia. Stefano Sollecito's leadership is also put into question. Recently there was a meeting between the reps of several factions. It seems the situation is very fragile at the moment. Interesting times might be ahead.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justi ... ndetta.php

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by Lupara » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:25 pm

I'm on my phone and it doesn't seem like I can start a new thread with Tapatalk.

Anyway, Desjardins has been warned by the police that there is a plot to murder him. I can't post the translation, but here's the article.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justi ... ardins.php

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by Lupara » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:46 am

Wiseguy wrote:The Desjardins-Mirarchi-DiMaulo group was the driving force to take out the Rizzutos.
I'm curious how you came to that interpretation as Desjardins, Mirarchi and Di Maulo are merely described as conspirators. The authors pretty much reaffirm Montagna as the main antagonizer. For instance they state that Arcuri, after introducing Montagna, had opened the flood gates for the man who turned Vito's life into hell.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by dixiemafia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:42 pm

Wiseguy wrote:As already mentioned, there was the claim about the Bonannos being oldest family in New York. Not sure where they got that. Also Sciasci being killed to appease Gotti because he called a Gambino member a druggie? Not exactly. Also the claim that the NY families had been getting a "serious ass kicking" by Russian, Chinese, and Albanian gangsters? I'd challenge the authors to give even any examples of that.
Yea we have challenged a few things they have said about the American branch of the Mafia for a while now. They seem to just throw anything out there when it comes to the American's but they do their homework on the Canadians. Weird for sure.
Then there was the claim about the Bonannos "being in no position" to avenge Montagna. That may indeed be true but the same thing could be said about the Rizzuto's failure to avenge Sciascia. I did like how the authors basically conceded that Canadian justice is a joke.
I don't think the Bonanno's cared much about Montagna anymore as he was never coming back. Yea if he took over the GTA they had a chance to make money off him, but I'm betting even the Bonanno's didn't think Montagna would be able to take over in Montreal. The Rizzuto's got their revenge IMO when they broke away from the Bonanno's after Sciascia was killed. Until they realize their justice system is weak, they will be plagued with problems like this with no rats for years to come.
As far as the war itself, while the Rizzutos certainly had their enemies beforehand, it seems to me that the void was created with Vitos' extradition to the U.S. and the subsequent arrest of so many people in the organization (including several of the top guys) in Project Colisee.

Of course. Even Joe Bravo made a joke about the mice playing since Vito was in jail. There is nobody in their right mind that would have tried to topped Vito if he didn't go to prison. If Montagna would have came to the GTA talking and doing the same shit with Vito out and he would have dropped quickly.
The Desjardins-Mirarchi-DiMaulo group was the driving force to take out the Rizzutos. While it's easy to believe they at least supported it, probably looking for an opening, much of the 'Ndrangheta's involvement seems vague or based on circumstantial evidence. You also had the black street gangs trying to push their way into traditional Rizzuto territory with the firebombings. I thought it was interesting that Montagna, who had an uneasy alliance with Desjardins before it all went bad, used the blacks to collect extortion payments. And it seems both sides used them to carry out some hits.
Desjardins/Di Maulo was in a no win situation much like Joe Bravo was. They had to go along with Montagna or die, but if Vito lived they also die. Lucky for Raynald he was in jail when Vito got out. Ducarme Joseph was a major player with the black street gangs and I can almost guarantee he was the one behind the firebombings.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by Wiseguy » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:42 pm

Recently finished reading this book. Overall I liked it but a few things did stand out.

As already mentioned, there was the claim about the Bonannos being oldest family in New York. Not sure where they got that. Also Sciasci being killed to appease Gotti because he called a Gambino member a druggie? Not exactly. Also the claim that the NY families had been getting a "serious ass kicking" by Russian, Chinese, and Albanian gangsters? I'd challenge the authors to give even any examples of that. Then there was the claim about the Bonannos "being in no position" to avenge Montagna. That may indeed be true but the same thing could be said about the Rizzuto's failure to avenge Sciascia. I did like how the authors basically conceded that Canadian justice is a joke.

As far as the war itself, while the Rizzutos certainly had their enemies beforehand, it seems to me that the void was created with Vitos' extradition to the U.S. and the subsequent arrest of so many people in the organization (including several of the top guys) in Project Colisee. The Desjardins-Mirarchi-DiMaulo group was the driving force to take out the Rizzutos. While it's easy to believe they at least supported it, probably looking for an opening, much of the 'Ndrangheta's involvement seems vague or based on circumstantial evidence. You also had the black street gangs trying to push their way into traditional Rizzuto territory with the firebombings. I thought it was interesting that Montagna, who had an uneasy alliance with Desjardins before it all went bad, used the blacks to collect extortion payments. And it seems both sides used them to carry out some hits.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by Lupara » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:32 pm

toto wrote:
Lupara wrote:Nobody flips because of the relatively short sentences criminals serve for crimes such as drug dealing or even murder.

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Nobody has flipped so far. Short sentences are no guarantee. Some guys refuse jail altogether and will flip. The whole Bonanno dominoes collapse happened because Frank Coppa didn't want to go back to jail for a few years.

It is a matter of time and circumstance.
Fair enough.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by toto » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:39 pm

Lupara wrote:Nobody flips because of the relatively short sentences criminals serve for crimes such as drug dealing or even murder.

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Nobody has flipped so far. Short sentences are no guarantee. Some guys refuse jail altogether and will flip. The whole Bonanno dominoes collapse happened because Frank Coppa didn't want to go back to jail for a few years.

It is a matter of time and circumstance.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by dixiemafia » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:17 pm

I agree, it could be Stefano with his Dad being in the adviser role. I just don't see some new guy that was only tight with Vito that nobody knows taking over and everyone falling in line even with the Rizzuto hit list still being active.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by Lupara » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:56 am

I take it with a pine of salt. A middle aged newcomer without a criminal record doesn't fit the description as someone who is going to take over a crime family, and be accepted. I still think it is going to be Stefano Sollecito.

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Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by dixiemafia » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:58 pm

Lupara wrote:Nobody flips because of the relatively short sentences criminals serve for crimes such as drug dealing or even murder.

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Don't give me that. Even if their prisons were hard even 10 years for murder in a horrible prison would cause someone to flip. Their sentences are a joke just like their prisons are.

I would love to see who this mystery man is. Makes you wonder are they setting themselves up for a new book or is it true?

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by B. » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:33 pm

johnny_scootch wrote:
dixiemafia wrote:does the book mention who this new guy is?
Dixie...it's the most intriguing paragraph in the book. It's in the postscript...here it is

"Police surveillance officers were startled in early 2014 to see Vito's last consigliere Rocco Sollecito making the rounds with a fresh face in the milieu. This man has a clean criminal record but enjoyed a tight, affectionate tie to Vito. Sollecito seemed bent on introducing him to everyone who was anyone in his world. As he made the rounds with Sollecito, the man carried himself with the utmost seriousness, as one might expect from the new boss of a major crime family."


vague like lupara said.
Yeah, that's the same type of speculation that led to people calling Frankie Flowers the new boss of Philadelphia in the 1980's, when he was actually an associate. Definitely interesting, though.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by johnny_scootch » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:15 pm

dixiemafia wrote:does the book mention who this new guy is?
Dixie...it's the most intriguing paragraph in the book. It's in the postscript...here it is

"Police surveillance officers were startled in early 2014 to see Vito's last consigliere Rocco Sollecito making the rounds with a fresh face in the milieu. This man has a clean criminal record but enjoyed a tight, affectionate tie to Vito. Sollecito seemed bent on introducing him to everyone who was anyone in his world. As he made the rounds with Sollecito, the man carried himself with the utmost seriousness, as one might expect from the new boss of a major crime family."


vague like lupara said.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by Lupara » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:14 pm

Nobody flips because of the relatively short sentences criminals serve for crimes such as drug dealing or even murder.

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Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by dixiemafia » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:03 pm

Lupara wrote:And Desjardins doesn't live like a king in prison. Recently he complained through his laywer about his harsh prison conditions.
Well of course. If you are used to having everything (which it has been said before he was running things in prison) and they take anything away from you of course you'll get your lawyer to lower the "harsh" conditions. There was even worries of a prison break for Desjardins when they were transporting him to court, so that tells you he had to have known about the plot as well.

And we both know Canada prisons can't be too harsh because nobody flips.

Re: Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War

by johnny_scootch » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:34 pm

dixiemafia wrote:Best thing to get caught up is read The Sixth Family first then this new book and you should be damn near caught up.
I'd suggest squeezing Mafia Inc. in after Sixth Family and before Business or Blood. 3 top notch books.

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