Chris Christie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:13 pm
Another coupla projects which may be interesting, but volcanic would be perhaps breaking down these crews individually and showing their succession of Capos/Streetbosses/Whatever as well as soldiers. It would have to be done by era and we'd all have to agree on some parameters. If this is feasible maybe something to think on.
*Question though for Villain, Snakes, Pete, everyone: several years ago there was an ongoing debate regarding Outfit admins being an extension of whatever crew was in charge and that each enjoyed a great deal of autonomy. Is this still a valid ongoing theory? Given the amount of bs that get's presented and discredited it's hard to keep up with.
Second, early 1920's Chicago gangs, I'd be open to making a gang chart on that era. It doesn't have to be limited to Itals. Given the lack of insider knowledge on gang structure it can be as simplified as Leaders and Members or Boss, Leaders, Members; whatever.
I think the theory of the Outfit Administration being an extension of one sometimes two crews that are in Charge is a very valid discussion.
Based upon my research over the last 6 months whih has been extensive, the evidence that I saw that represented this theory came about as follows:
1). When Giancana was the Top Boss on the street, the Taylor Street Crew seemed to be the central power of the Outfit with Giancana, Ricca who supoorted him and Accardo who was with Elmwood Park. the #2 Crew was Ferraro. It apeared to me that Battaglia & Bucciere were Giancana's right hand men and all the guys directly with them made up a big powerful Crew called Taylor St. The other Crews seemed to answser to him and there was some money passed up to the Administration from the other Crews on SOME things, but not on other things that were autonomous.
2). When Auippa became the Top Boss on the Street for the Outfit, the Cicero Crew semed to be the central power of the Outfit with Auippa, Cerone and Accardo. Within the Cicero Crew it appeared that Ferriola and Carlisi were Auippa's right hand men and all the guys with them made up the Cicero Crew. Cerone's Elmwood Park Crew was the #2 with Cerone being in charge. Some things were shared with Auippa and Cerone from the other Crews but not on things that were autonomous. Also, the skim from Las Vegas went to Auippa and Cerone and THEY shared some of it with Lombardo and LaPietra. That's why all four went to Jail in the mid 80's.
3). When Carlisi became the Top Boss of the Outfit on the Street the Melrose Parl Crew (which was part of Cicero) now became the dominant power.
The Elmwood park crew under DiFronzo was the #2. Ferriola and the other Crews Bosses shared some things woth Carlisi and DiFronfronzo that were not Autonomous.
4). When DiFronzo became the Top Boss of the Outfit on the street, Elmwood Park became the dominant crew uunder him. I do not remember who was the #2. It could have been Monteleone who was Boss of Cicero. some things were shared with those two crews that were not autonomous.
5). When Marcello became the Top Boss of the Outfit, Melrose Park became the dominant Crew because DiFronzo pulled bach himself AND his guys.
6). When Sarno became the Top Boss of the Outfit, the Cicero Crew now became the Dominant Crew.
All of these Top Bosses and Underbosses never gave up their Crews to someone else. They were in Charge of their Crews with one or two right hand men, depending on how big the Crew was at a particular time. They never gave up their power base. In fact it seemed that their power base was the REASON why they became a Top Boss over other Crew Bosses.Also, the F.B.I. reports never seperated them from their Crews:
1). Giancana was ALWAYS associated with Taylor St. and had DIRECT contact with all his men.
2). Auippa was always associated with Cicero/Melrose Park.
3). Carlisi, same thing. In fact, when the F.B.I. put Carlisi in jail, they called it the Sam Carlisi Crew. No other people from any other Crew were involved.
4). DiFronzo, same thing. the Feds always related DIFronzo to Elmwood Park.
5). Marcello always was refeered to as the Boss of Melrose Park when he was the Top Boss on the street.
6). Sarno was always referred to as the Boss of Cicero AND the Top Boss on the Street by the Feds.
That is my conclusion based upon all those facts so I think it is a very real possibilty that the Outfit did operate a little differently than New York in this regard along with other things like non Italians high up in the Organization, No finger pricking Ceremony for quite awhile etc. They were part of the National Mafia, but they did do SOME things their own way.