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Re: non admin making ceremony

by gohnjotti » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:36 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:43 am Dragna was was Acting Boss. MIke Rizzetello was made in the car. Frattiano helped the Cleveland guys conduct the ceremony.


Didn't Vinny Basciano hold a making ceremony where he made people strip down or was that just for a meeting of the Capos?


Pogo
According to Dom Cicale, Vinny Basciano did that regularly for capo's meeting. Cicale testified that his job was to collect the capo's cellphones, gold chains, and pinky rings to ensure the chunks of gold weren't hiding microphones.

Re: non admin making ceremony

by Adam » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:22 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:15 am
Adam wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:28 am Personally I find the Merlino making Natale ceremony to be the most ridiculous. Fratianno, Louis Tom Dragna and Bompensiero making Rizzitello in the car was pretty bad. And Fratianno wandering into the Calandra-Liberatore ceremony was also pretty embarrassing. Especially considering those last two were in the 1970s when in theory certain traditions should have held more importance.

Adam
who was made in a car? was louis tom dragna ever admin?

what happened w calandra - liberatore ceremony? and wht wasn't Fratiano involved if he was obviously around to walk into it
As Pogo mentioned, Rizzitello got made in a car by Dragna, Bompensiero and Fratianno. Brooklier and Sciortino were in jail at the time so Dragna was acting. All three of the guys doing the induction you could classify as FBI informants(although Dragna gets a little fuzzy on how much of an informant he was.)

The Calandra-Liberatore ceremony is weird because the way it's described is that Licavoli and Lonardo were getting ready to make Liberatore and Calandra at if I remember correctly some restaurant in Cleveland and Fratianno who was visiting just kind of wanders in uninvited and they're like "Yeah you can be part of the ceremony cause we don't remember how it all goes." But Fratianno was not supposed to be there. It fits with my interpretation of Fratianno as a guy who just kind of weaseled(hah!) his way into a lot of situations without really accomplishing or contributing a lot.

Adam

Re: non admin making ceremony

by Pogo The Clown » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:43 am

Dragna was was Acting Boss. MIke Rizzetello was made in the car. Frattiano helped the Cleveland guys conduct the ceremony.


Didn't Vinny Basciano hold a making ceremony where he made people strip down or was that just for a meeting of the Capos?


Pogo

Re: non admin making ceremony

by JeremyTheJew » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:15 am

Adam wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:28 am Personally I find the Merlino making Natale ceremony to be the most ridiculous. Fratianno, Louis Tom Dragna and Bompensiero making Rizzitello in the car was pretty bad. And Fratianno wandering into the Calandra-Liberatore ceremony was also pretty embarrassing. Especially considering those last two were in the 1970s when in theory certain traditions should have held more importance.

Adam
who was made in a car? was louis tom dragna ever admin?

what happened w calandra - liberatore ceremony? and wht wasn't Fratiano involved if he was obviously around to walk into it

Re: non admin making ceremony

by johnny_scootch » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:34 am

yatescj7781 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:31 pm what about the making ceremony held by artie nigro. making guys strip down to their underwear then wearing robes while they make them?
We know the Genovese family does this...I've heard that the Decavs also do it. Could be even more families than that.

Re: non admin making ceremony

by gohnjotti » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:06 am

Wiseguy wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:19 pm
yatescj7781 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:31 pm what about the making ceremony held by artie nigro. making guys strip down to their underwear then wearing robes while they make them?
I actually think that's just good thinking on their part. Makes it virtually impossible to record a ceremony. Of course, Arilotta flipped anyway but at least they didn't get Nigro or DeLuca on tape. Theoretically, you should be able to trust a guy you're about to make but I guess you never can be too careful nowadays.
And if they get a hard-on, it's another reason not to make them.

Re: non admin making ceremony

by Frank » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:32 pm

Vito on the Sopranos liked that idea too.

Re: non admin making ceremony

by Wiseguy » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:19 pm

yatescj7781 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:31 pm what about the making ceremony held by artie nigro. making guys strip down to their underwear then wearing robes while they make them?
I actually think that's just good thinking on their part. Makes it virtually impossible to record a ceremony. Of course, Arilotta flipped anyway but at least they didn't get Nigro or DeLuca on tape. Theoretically, you should be able to trust a guy you're about to make but I guess you never can be too careful nowadays.

Re: non admin making ceremony

by yatescj7781 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:31 pm

what about the making ceremony held by artie nigro. making guys strip down to their underwear then wearing robes while they make them?

Re: non admin making ceremony

by Pogo The Clown » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:46 am

Thomas Marotta making Anthony Delmonti (who was wearing a wire) in a motel room. Afterwards he tried to sell him some counterfeit food stamps. :lol:


Pogo

Re: non admin making ceremony

by Adam » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:28 am

Personally I find the Merlino making Natale ceremony to be the most ridiculous. Fratianno, Louis Tom Dragna and Bompensiero making Rizzitello in the car was pretty bad. And Fratianno wandering into the Calandra-Liberatore ceremony was also pretty embarrassing. Especially considering those last two were in the 1970s when in theory certain traditions should have held more importance.

Adam

Re: RE: Re: non admin making ceremony

by JeremyTheJew » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:26 pm

Lupara wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:02 am
johnny_scootch wrote:That Bonanno ceremony in Canada has to be the worst making ceremony of all time.
Probably many more like that happening without our knowledge.
thats a interesting thought...
that could be a possibility that i think we might hear more and more about.

its probably just to hard getting everyone together and avoiding LE

Re: non admin making ceremony

by johnny_scootch » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:07 pm

gohnjotti wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:52 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:53 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:41 pm That Bonanno ceremony in Canada has to be the worst making ceremony of all time.
...besides the prison burning toilet paper ceremony, id agree.
Didn't Andy Russo of the Colombos make Fat Larry Sessa in 2011 inside a packed holding cell filled with all the other guys busted in Mafia Takedown Day?
Agree these have to be the 3 worst I've ever heard about but in both those scenarios at least you had a high ranking member conduct the ceremony and the initiate wasn't currently a confidential informant also as far as I know there is only audio and video footage of one of these as the cops erased the jail footage of the Colombo making ceremony.

Re: RE: Re: non admin making ceremony

by Lupara » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:02 am

johnny_scootch wrote:That Bonanno ceremony in Canada has to be the worst making ceremony of all time.
Probably many more like that happening without our knowledge.

Re: non admin making ceremony

by gohnjotti » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:50 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:38 pm
gohnjotti wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:52 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:53 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:41 pm That Bonanno ceremony in Canada has to be the worst making ceremony of all time.
...besides the prison burning toilet paper ceremony, id agree.
Didn't Andy Russo of the Colombos make Fat Larry Sessa in 2011 inside a packed holding cell filled with all the other guys busted in Mafia Takedown Day?
thats why i was asking bc i remmember hearing something like that. thats just ridiculous tho... takes out all meaning and purpose...

not to mention holding cells are also surveillanced....
If I remember correctly the feds "lost" the footage from the event, so it might just be overzealous prosecutors trying to scrape for some circumstantial evidence.. But not only was the street boss there, the underboss Ben Castellazzo and consigliere Richie Fusco were also imprisoned that same day, if that means anything.

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