THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:27 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:49 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:03 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:42 pm I wasn't trying to say the Family Secrets was the only case lately. I was using it as a reference to the old cases it pertained to in conjunction with the high up CI in from the 1980,s.Nick Calebrese had alot of high up people at the Spilotro killing. My point is this supposed high ranked CI, in my opinion might not even exist. The really didn't know for sure who the bosses were until fairly recently. Had Ferriola as boss. Thought Lombardo was boss. Rare mention of Monteleone even being boss over Outfit. Listing Zizzo as underboss. Don't know when the very top bosses actually retired. All the cases had rats like Calebrese, Jahoda, Patrick and Cooley

The term Boss in Chicago is used loosely. Ferriola was a boss, Lombardo was a Boss. Monteleone was a Boss. Zizzo was an underboss to Marcello. They do know what happened to Zizzo. They just can't find the body. They know when Difronzo retired. He retired when Marcello got out of prison. That's when he stepped back. Besides, DiFronzo might even be one of the top C.I.'S for all we know.
You are right that the Feds don't know everything 100 % accurately, but they know way more than anyone who is not a Fed including knowing more than a lot of the lower echelon guys because they enhance their efforts with electronic eves dropping and surveillance IN ADDITION to the informants.

They had Ferriola listed as the boss and Carlisi or even on some charts Rocky Infelice as underboss. I believe DiFronzo retired 2 or 3 years ago as top boss of Outfit. Marcello become the chief executive , succeeding either Al Tornebene or Joe Addriacchi after one of them had succeeded Johnny Monteleone after he died. Also Lou Marino was not charged in Spilotro case. And we know he was no CI. But Calebrese ID him present too. Don't think there was enough evidence to take Marino and DiFronzo to trial.

Ferriola might have been the top Boss for a short while before he started to get sick. Who knows? Infelice WAS Ferriola's underboss.
I believe DiFronzo backed away from the Outfit a long time ago (when Marcello got out of Jail) along with his brother and Andriacchi.
Not indicting DiFronzo in the Family Secrets Case is a whole other subject.

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:49 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:03 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:42 pm I wasn't trying to say the Family Secrets was the only case lately. I was using it as a reference to the old cases it pertained to in conjunction with the high up CI in from the 1980,s.Nick Calebrese had alot of high up people at the Spilotro killing. My point is this supposed high ranked CI, in my opinion might not even exist. The really didn't know for sure who the bosses were until fairly recently. Had Ferriola as boss. Thought Lombardo was boss. Rare mention of Monteleone even being boss over Outfit. Listing Zizzo as underboss. Don't know when the very top bosses actually retired. All the cases had rats like Calebrese, Jahoda, Patrick and Cooley

The term Boss in Chicago is used loosely. Ferriola was a boss, Lombardo was a Boss. Monteleone was a Boss. Zizzo was an underboss to Marcello. They do know what happened to Zizzo. They just can't find the body. They know when Difronzo retired. He retired when Marcello got out of prison. That's when he stepped back. Besides, DiFronzo might even be one of the top C.I.'S for all we know.
You are right that the Feds don't know everything 100 % accurately, but they know way more than anyone who is not a Fed including knowing more than a lot of the lower echelon guys because they enhance their efforts with electronic eves dropping and surveillance IN ADDITION to the informants.

They had Ferriola listed as the boss and Carlisi or even on some charts Rocky Infelice as underboss. I believe DiFronzo retired 2 or 3 years ago as top boss of Outfit. Marcello become the chief executive , succeeding either Al Tornebene or Joe Addriacchi after one of them had succeeded Johnny Monteleone after he died. Also Lou Marino was not charged in Spilotro case. And we know he was no CI. But Calebrese ID him present too. Don't think there was enough evidence to take Marino and DiFronzo to trial.

Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:48 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:49 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:39 amWhat do you mean Capeci has no direct OC sources? He has cited sources on "both sides of the law" many times.

Yes but he's also said he has no made guys feeding him info. Which means his OC sources it would appear, are mere associates. And the question must be asked of what and how much they can actually know especially concerning matters of admin.

And my infalliable comments were directed at Confederate, not yourself. I agree the Feds are far and away the most reliable source, there's no contention there.

The amount of information the Feds have on each Family is NOT NECCESSARILY EQUAL. Comparing what they know about the Gambino's to what they know about Chicago is apples and oranges. It seems they know more about the smaller Chicago with the help of the 2 CI'S etc. etc. Plus, obviously, there is a lot less they have to know about Chicago. The Gambino's are MUCH bigger and have a lot more happening.

Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:03 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:42 pm I wasn't trying to say the Family Secrets was the only case lately. I was using it as a reference to the old cases it pertained to in conjunction with the high up CI in from the 1980,s.Nick Calebrese had alot of high up people at the Spilotro killing. My point is this supposed high ranked CI, in my opinion might not even exist. The really didn't know for sure who the bosses were until fairly recently. Had Ferriola as boss. Thought Lombardo was boss. Rare mention of Monteleone even being boss over Outfit. Listing Zizzo as underboss. Don't know when the very top bosses actually retired. All the cases had rats like Calebrese, Jahoda, Patrick and Cooley

The term Boss in Chicago is used loosely. Ferriola was a boss, Lombardo was a Boss. Monteleone was a Boss. Zizzo was an underboss to Marcello. They do know what happened to Zizzo. They just can't find the body. They know when Difronzo retired. He retired when Marcello got out of prison. That's when he stepped back. Besides, DiFronzo might even be one of the top C.I.'S for all we know.
You are right that the Feds don't know everything 100 % accurately, but they know way more than anyone who is not a Fed including knowing more than a lot of the lower echelon guys because they enhance their efforts with electronic eves dropping and surveillance IN ADDITION to the informants.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:49 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:39 amWhat do you mean Capeci has no direct OC sources? He has cited sources on "both sides of the law" many times.

Yes but he's also said he has no made guys feeding him info. Which means his OC sources it would appear, are mere associates. And the question must be asked of what and how much they can actually know especially concerning matters of admin.

And my infalliable comments were directed at Confederate, not yourself. I agree the Feds are far and away the most reliable source, there's no contention there.

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:18 pm I'm not saying the feds now less than us. Someone earlier mentioned the 2 CI's. One has been said to be high ranking and been a CI sine the 1980's. But apparently he doesn't know who the correct boss is and administration over the years. And didn't know who killed the Spilotro Bros. I just don't buy that. Now with LE knowing about Solly Delaurentis so quick into his leadership I am open to a current CI. Or they could of deducted that from surveillance.

TommyGambino wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:51 pm

SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:44 pm Question: Is George Lombardozzi related to Carmine Lombardozzi?
If so, how? Son, nephew, grandson? Thanks, SP

George is his nephew, so is Daniel Marino.

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:42 pm I wasn't trying to say the Family Secrets was the only case lately. I was using it as a reference to the old cases it pertained to in conjunction with the high up CI in from the 1980,s.Nick Calebrese had alot of high up people at the Spilotro killing. My point is this supposed high ranked CI, in my opinion might not even exist. The really didn't know for sure who the bosses were until fairly recently. Had Ferriola as boss. Thought Lombardo was boss. Rare mention of Monteleone even being boss over Outfit. Listing Zizzo as underboss. Don't know when the very top bosses actually retired. All the cases had rats like Calebrese, Jahoda, Patrick and Cooley

SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:44 pm Question: Is George Lombardozzi related to Carmine Lombardozzi?
If so, how? Son, nephew, grandson? Thanks, SP