THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:59 am

Cheech wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:22 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:56 am I agree that the Bonannos carried out the murder. But they did it with the ok of Cirillo.

And the reason I'm convinced of Cirillo's involvement is because the feds and Capeci are. And, as we've seen, those on the forums who make a habit of disagreeing with the feds or Capeci have ended up being wrong again and again.

what fbi has said this? where did capeci say this? what rat has said this? what tape recording was this talked about on?

you are SPECULATING based on the most reasonable amount of data. i am too and we are coming up with different conclusions. i am in belief that thats is ok. but you and Pogo choose to talk down on those that dont believe you.

The Bonannos doing it is speculation on my part, though I think it's certainly possible the Genovese did it themselves. But my speculation is based on Pizzolo and didn't just come out of thin air.

The problem with you speculating Cirillo wasn't involved is the vast majority of the available evidence does say he was. Yet you think he wasn't involved and the Bonanno's did it "on the sneak" when there's not much to base that on.

Cheech wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:22 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:56 am I agree that the Bonannos carried out the murder. But they did it with the ok of Cirillo.

And the reason I'm convinced of Cirillo's involvement is because the feds and Capeci are. And, as we've seen, those on the forums who make a habit of disagreeing with the feds or Capeci have ended up being wrong again and again.

what fbi has said this? where did capeci say this? what rat has said this? what tape recording was this talked about on?

you are SPECULATING based on the most reasonable amount of data. i am too and we are coming up with different conclusions. i am in belief that thats is ok. but you and Pogo choose to talk down on those that dont believe you.

Around Spring 2004 Dominick Cicale was having renovations done on his real estate office. Cirillo showed up at the office to discuss money owed for the work and Cicale told him to mind his business. Cirillo raised his voice and Cicale slapped him. Cirillo then started toward his vehicle and made a comment about getting a gun. Cicale followed him, held him against the car and started beating him so he couldn't get at any weapons. There was a guy with Cirillo who was still inside the vehicle. He told Cicale there wasn't really a gun inside so he backed off. Both parties left the scene. Almost immediately after they were gone Vincent Basciano Jr. showed up and was questioned by the NYPD who been called to the location and had also just arrived. Cirillo did not hit or threaten Basciano Jr., they weren't there at the same time.

A few hours later Cicale was summoned to meet with Vincent Basciano, Michael Mancuso and an unspecified Genovese member. It was decided since Cirillo didn't actually put his hands on Cicale there was no issue and to let it end there. The Genovese member made a call and Cirillo showed up and apologized to Cicale for his behavior. They shook hands and that was it.

Cirillo was last seen May 9, 2004. Shortly thereafter Cicale met with Basciano and Mancuso. During this meeting Basciano expressed his opinion that the Genovese were taking advantage of the recent situation between Cicale/Cirillo to get rid of Cirillo and have the blame pointed elsewhere. Basciano told Mancuso to meet with one of the Genovese leaders (poss. Lawrence Dentico) and inform them the Bonannos had nothing to do with it. Mancuso and the Genovese met and they told Mancuso they already knew the Bonannos weren't responsible and no further action was taken.

After Cicale was indicted he spent time with Dominick Cirillo at MDC Brooklyn, and Cirillo also told him he knew Cicale had nothing to do with killing his son.

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:42 am

Cheech wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:22 am what fbi has said this? where did capeci say this? what rat has said this? what tape recording was this talked about on?

you are SPECULATING based on the most reasonable amount of data. i am too and we are coming up with different conclusions. i am in belief that thats is ok. but you and Pogo choose to talk down on those that dont believe you.

Capeci

The name of Dominick (Quiet Dom) Cirillo was never spoken, but the horrific decision that the powerful Genovese wiseguy allegedly made to okay his son's murder was the unspoken elephant in the room yesterday in Manhattan Federal Court at the sentencing of mob associate Reynold (Randy) Alberti.

That story begins more than 13 years ago, soon after Cirillo, the then-acting family boss, sanctioned the Mother's Day murder in 2004 of his 41-year-old son Nicholas for disrespecting Bonanno capo Dominick Cicale and Vincent Basciano Jr. in a Bronx brouhaha, according to law enforcement officials, FBI records, and letters submitted to sentencing Judge Richard Sullivan,

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:56 am I agree that the Bonannos carried out the murder. But they did it with the ok of Cirillo.

Cheech wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:22 am what fbi has said this? where did capeci say this? what rat has said this? what tape recording was this talked about on?

you are SPECULATING based on the most reasonable amount of data. i am too and we are coming up with different conclusions. i am in belief that thats is ok. but you and Pogo choose to talk down on those that dont believe you.

The name of Dominick (Quiet Dom) Cirillo was never spoken, but the horrific decision that the powerful Genovese wiseguy allegedly made to okay his son's murder was the unspoken elephant in the room yesterday in Manhattan Federal Court at the sentencing of mob associate Reynold (Randy) Alberti.

That story begins more than 13 years ago, soon after Cirillo, the then-acting family boss, sanctioned the Mother's Day murder in 2004 of his 41-year-old son Nicholas for disrespecting Bonanno capo Dominick Cicale and Vincent Basciano Jr. in a Bronx brouhaha, according to law enforcement officials, FBI records, and letters submitted to sentencing Judge Richard Sullivan,

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:56 am I agree that the Bonannos carried out the murder. But they did it with the ok of Cirillo.

And the reason I'm convinced of Cirillo's involvement is because the feds and Capeci are. And, as we've seen, those on the forums who make a habit of disagreeing with the feds or Capeci have ended up being wrong again and again.

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:05 am Except it is not speculation. You have several people who were involved and in a position to know what happened saying it went down a certain way versus people on a forum saying it might have gone down another way.


I think John Gotti killed Jimmy Hoffa. You can't discount it. It is plausible.


Pogo

Cheech wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:27 ambut i dont discount your theory. why do you discount others instead of saying its plausible? a lot of the times we are all guessing whether it be whos in what position or mary ferell files.

moneyman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:46 am Correct me if I'm wrong but the only sources of info on Pizzola killing Cirillo is Frank Vasaturo and Dora Roman(Pizzola's girlfriend) in the Basciano appeal right?

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:54 am I'm not arguing who did the actual killing just this idea that it was an unsanctioned hit by Basciano. A hit of this magnitude had to be sanctioned (and would have by the rules and politics) otherwise there would have been repercussions.


Pogo