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by **johnny_scootch** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:53 pm

Word around the neighborhood is they ratted on each other and a third kid who was involved. Cops also have them on video dumping the body in back of the old age home on strickland ave right next to el caribe. Assholes.

by **johnny_scootch** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:55 pm

Adam wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:30 am So the cops are looking to question these two guys, Vincent and Louie Iacono, about Carini's murder. Has anyone ever heard of these twins before?

http://www.thecouriertimes.com/news/art ... e09c3.html

Adam

They grew up in Canarsie. All you had to say was 'the twins' and people knew who you meant.

by **Adam** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:30 am

So the cops are looking to question these two guys, Vincent and Louie Iacono, about Carini's murder. Has anyone ever heard of these twins before?

http://www.thecouriertimes.com/news/art ... e09c3.html

Adam

by **Wiseguy** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:19 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:16 am
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:10 amBut that, or the relative lack of violence, hardly means the mob is extinct in NY by comparison.
I never said it was.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:10 amFurthermore, while I don't recall seeing any solid figures, I doubt anywhere in Canada (or the country as a whole for that matter) has the numbers (members and associates) NY does.
I never said they have.

I was simply stating there is more to the violence than purely sentencing terms.

I agree. My post was more in reference to what Teflon john said.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:16 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:10 amBut that, or the relative lack of violence, hardly means the mob is extinct in NY by comparison.

I never said it was.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:10 amFurthermore, while I don't recall seeing any solid figures, I doubt anywhere in Canada (or the country as a whole for that matter) has the numbers (members and associates) NY does.

I never said they have.

I was simply stating there is more to the violence than purely sentencing terms.

by **Wiseguy** » Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:10 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:11 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:45 pm Don't be fooled by all the fireworks up there, which are the result of Canadian laws as much as anything. The extended New York metropolitan area has more of mob presence than anywhere in Canada.
Whilst criminal penalties undoubtedly play a part in the violence I think its only one of several factors.

Also in play are control of a multibillion dollar cocaine pipeline through Montreal. When those sort of numbers are in play, you're going to get violence no matter the law. NY's 5 families have nothing comparable.

Additionally, 'your' Italians are more westernized. 3rd, 4th and even 5th generation. Over here they are generally much less removed. often 1st or 2nd generation. And as we're all aware the mother country is to Canada what Canada is to NY when it comes to violence and murder.

So whilst people point their fingers at criminal penalties being responsible for the violence in Canada, it is only part of the story.

There wasn't much in the way of violence for years until Project Colisee took enough Rizzuto guys off the street to cause a power vacuum big enough for others to make a move.

Drugs are definitely more of a primary racket for Canadian mobsters than even those in NY. But that, or the relative lack of violence, hardly means the mob is extinct in NY by comparison. What has kept the NY families going is their recruiting pool and diversification regardless of them being marginalized in the drug trade. Furthermore, while I don't recall seeing any solid figures, I doubt anywhere in Canada (or the country as a whole for that matter) has the numbers (members and associates) NY does.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:11 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:45 pm Don't be fooled by all the fireworks up there, which are the result of Canadian laws as much as anything. The extended New York metropolitan area has more of mob presence than anywhere in Canada.

Whilst criminal penalties undoubtedly play a part in the violence I think its only one of several factors.

Also in play are control of a multibillion dollar cocaine pipeline through Montreal. When those sort of numbers are in play, you're going to get violence no matter the law. NY's 5 families have nothing comparable.

Additionally, 'your' Italians are more westernized. 3rd, 4th and even 5th generation. Over here they are generally much less removed. often 1st or 2nd generation. And as we're all aware the mother country is to Canada what Canada is to NY when it comes to violence and murder.

So whilst people point their fingers at criminal penalties being responsible for the violence in Canada, it is only part of the story.

by **Wiseguy** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:45 pm

Teflon john wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:59 pm I thought everybody with the Columbo's was low-level nowadays,they are the family i hear about the least so maybe that means they are laying low and rebuilding the ranks. This does have all the makings of a mafia rubout though,dont know what the stabbed arms and legs mean,maybe nothing but i remember when you could tell why they were killed by how they were killed. Compared to what's going on in Canada,LCN in the U.S. is extinct.

Don't be fooled by all the fireworks up there, which are the result of Canadian laws as much as anything. The extended New York metropolitan area has more of mob presence than anywhere in Canada.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:35 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:58 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:48 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:19 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:19 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:05 pmHis father was obviously with the Gambinos.
It states in one of the bullet points:
"He was the son of Colombo mobster Carmine Carini, 58, who had served 23 years on a murder conviction"
There is another Carmine Carini that is a Gambino associate/soldier. Not sure if its the same guy.
HK or anyone clarify?
Cheers
Carmine Carini Sr - gambino associate
Vinny Carini (dead)- colombo associate
Eddie Carini (dead) - colombo associate
Carmine Carini Jr (dead) - lucchese associate

Thanks johnny

by **NJShore4Life** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:03 pm

I know the Carini's sister. I used to work with her and we became friends. She is the sweetest, kindest, and most genuine person. She was a hard working, single Mom. I actually feel really bad for her. I recently reached out to her and expressed my sincere condolences to her and her family over this.

by **johnny_scootch** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:58 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:48 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:19 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:19 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:05 pmHis father was obviously with the Gambinos.
It states in one of the bullet points:
"He was the son of Colombo mobster Carmine Carini, 58, who had served 23 years on a murder conviction"
There is another Carmine Carini that is a Gambino associate/soldier. Not sure if its the same guy.
HK or anyone clarify?
Cheers

Carmine Carini Sr - gambino associate
Vinny Carini (dead)- colombo associate
Eddie Carini (dead) - colombo associate
Carmine Carini Jr (dead) - lucchese associate

by **Teflon john** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:59 pm

I thought everybody with the Columbo's was low-level nowadays,they are the family i hear about the least so maybe that means they are laying low and rebuilding the ranks. This does have all the makings of a mafia rubout though,dont know what the stabbed arms and legs mean,maybe nothing but i remember when you could tell why they were killed by how they were killed. Compared to what's going on in Canada,LCN in the U.S. is extinct.

by **furiofromnaples** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:57 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:05 pm The article below labels the guy as a low-level Colombo associate. His father was obviously with the Gambinos.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/v ... ciate.html

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2868

Gangland news say Carini jr was a lucchese associate while his father was a Gambino associate.

by **joeycigars** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:53 pm

http://www.silive.com/news/2017/09/man_ ... -styl.html

Carmine Carini, 35, was discovered in an inlet near his Mill Basin home Saturday, three days after he was last seen, said Robert Boyce, NYPD chief of detectives.

Carini was beaten and stabbed, and was attached to five-pound of bag of drywall compound in the mob-style hit, officials said. Investigators do not yet have a motive in the case, according to Boyce.

"We have a long way to go," Boyce said of the investigation.

The victim, who had served five years in state prison after a robbery conviction in 2015, is the son of Carmine Carini Sr., a reputed Gambino crime family associate who used to live in Eltingville, according to Advance records.

"His father had the O.C. ties, not him," Boyce said during a press conference Tuesday.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:48 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:19 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:19 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:05 pmHis father was obviously with the Gambinos.
It states in one of the bullet points:
"He was the son of Colombo mobster Carmine Carini, 58, who had served 23 years on a murder conviction"
There is another Carmine Carini that is a Gambino associate/soldier. Not sure if its the same guy.

HK or anyone clarify?
Cheers

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