Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

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Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Confederate » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:06 pm

No Outfit Boss, Underboss or Senior Advisors were ever assassinated in Chicago after 1931. In New York, several were killed. The reason is because the Outfit Top Bosses never lose direct contact with the Crews which is their power base. Giancana got killed in 1975 because he had LOST his power base and at that time he wasn't a Top Boss anymore anyway. I believe Auippa and Cerone feared Giancana to a certain point and wanted to take no chances especially with him coming back to Chicago. They didn't want any potential comeback. I got the impression that Giancana never really liked Auippa anyway from his taped conversation with Ferraro. According to other articles, Giancana never thought much of Cerone either. If I had been Auippa or Cerone, I would have done the same thing. LOL

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Villain » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:38 am

Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:31 am
Villain wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:35 am
Frank wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:07 pm Yes I heard that Calebrese testified that it was Accardo who ordered hit because of tribute money. But again I'm just trying to get the facts straight.
Giancana was killed by his own people although there are some strange facts such as the incomplete police surveilance and such. For example they have Blasi going in and out of the place and later they have nothing, even though they had the house surrounded
Well, the police have always been "merchandise for sale", in some countries to a bigger degree, in others to a lesser, depending also on the time period, but imo it wouldn't have been too difficult to pay off the chief of the police to take off the surveillance just for the time for the triggerman to enter the house, do the job and go away. Just like in Italy for example: after Toto' Riina's arrest, they "for some non-explained reason" took off the surveillance from the place where he lived, to give his men enough time to move away everything important / incriminating that he kept there, leaving it completely empty. Still, as usual, it's "nobody's fault".
Nice example, sometimes people have to realize that the same organized crime schemes are happening all over the world, and it doesnt matter if it involves mobsters or government officials, or if its in time of war or peace

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Dwalin2014 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:31 am

Villain wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:35 am
Frank wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:07 pm Yes I heard that Calebrese testified that it was Accardo who ordered hit because of tribute money. But again I'm just trying to get the facts straight.
Giancana was killed by his own people although there are some strange facts such as the incomplete police surveilance and such. For example they have Blasi going in and out of the place and later they have nothing, even though they had the house surrounded
Well, the police have always been "merchandise for sale", in some countries to a bigger degree, in others to a lesser, depending also on the time period, but imo it wouldn't have been too difficult to pay off the chief of the police to take off the surveillance just for the time for the triggerman to enter the house, do the job and go away. Just like in Italy for example: after Toto' Riina's arrest, they "for some non-explained reason" took off the surveillance from the place where he lived, to give his men enough time to move away everything important / incriminating that he kept there, leaving it completely empty. Still, as usual, it's "nobody's fault".

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Villain » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:35 am

Frank wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:07 pm Yes I heard that Calebrese testified that it was Accardo who ordered hit because of tribute money. But again I'm just trying to get the facts straight.
Giancana was killed by his own people although there are some strange facts such as the incomplete police surveilance and such. For example they have Blasi going in and out of the place and later they have nothing, even though they had the house surrounded

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Frank » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:07 pm

Yes I heard that Calebrese testified that it was Accardo who ordered hit because of tribute money. But again I'm just trying to get the facts straight.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Snakes » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:59 pm

I don't think there is much credence to it.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Frank » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:48 pm

What about Giacanna and the CIA, Trafficonte killing him.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Antiliar » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:25 pm

I don't think Accardo had problems with Giancana until he returned to Chicago in the 1970s. Accardo originally picked Giancana to be his underboss, so they must have had a good relationship. Accardo likely chose Sam to succeed him when he retired, and he schooled him when he was a new boss.

BTW, Tony Lombardo may have been the head of the Chicago chapter of the Italo-American National Union (it changed its name from Unione Siciliana in 1925), but I couldn't verify that. The newspapers usually got everything they knew about the organization wrong, at least from the 1920s forward.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by electricslim » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:11 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:19 am Does anyone know if Joey the Clown was related to is it Tony Lombardo the Mafia leader that was whacked in 1928.
I believe Joe the Clown changed his name at some point from Lombardi to Lombardo. Because of that I don't think he was related to Tony Lombardo, who was head of Unione Siciliano.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Frank » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:19 am

Does anyone know if Joey the Clown was related to is it Tony Lombardo the Mafia leader that was whacked in 1928. And yes that is a good point about Giancana having more power in those years of Accardo tax problems and Ricca in prison. I'm sure they didn't kill Giancana in 1966 because he was a good earner for them back in the day. Not sure about Sam and Accardo relationship. Maybe they were on better terms than people think at that time. Didn't Nick Calebrese testify that Accardo ordered the hit on Sam because he was not paying tribute on International Casino's. Ending speculation that it was Trafficante or the CIA.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Villain » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:28 am

Snakes is right and i also have to admit that from 1959 until 1961 Giancana was possibly the one and only boss in Chicago, since Ricca was in jail and Accardo was constantly in court. Similar situation occurred with Gus Alex who in 1974 was the only guy at the top since Aiuppa was in hospital and Accardo was in Palm Springs

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Snakes » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:23 am

Again, front boss isn't a good descriptor of what Giancana was. Ricca and Accardo were known to be higher in rank to Giancana by the feds and the media yet Giancana was still boss. That's the problem with labels and especially the Outfit and labels. Each guy had a job and labels were irrelevant to it, for the most part.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Frank » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:05 am

I don't think he was either. I don't believe he succeeded Ricca either. I believe in the conventional wisdom that he was under Ricca and Accardo when he was basically front boss and after they knocked him down as boss. I only give it a little bit of a possibility because Fosco's father was a made man.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by electricslim » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:11 am

Frank wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:03 am Joe Fosco loved Giancana.They were saying on ANP that Giancana was the top boss when he was whacked.That he had succeeded Ricca in 1957. That Aiuppa and Cerone got Accardo to go along with them. Didn't Giancana brother also state Sam was still in charge when killed? They said he was running the Outfit from out of the country. I am open minded but I think that is some revisionist history. What do you guys think of Joe Fosco view of the Outfit.
Giancana certainly still had a decent amount of loyalists on the street when we went away, through to the time he came back. I don't believe he was running things, but I'm sure it could have seemed that way to many.

Re: Was Joe Lombardo ever boss of the Outfit, even briefly?

by Frank » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:03 am

Joe Fosco loved Giancana.They were saying on ANP that Giancana was the top boss when he was whacked.That he had succeeded Ricca in 1957. That Aiuppa and Cerone got Accardo to go along with them. Didn't Giancana brother also state Sam was still in charge when killed? They said he was running the Outfit from out of the country. I am open minded but I think that is some revisionist history. What do you guys think of Joe Fosco view of the Outfit.

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