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by **Frank** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:13 am

Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:16 pm
Frank wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:06 pm
Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:32 pm
Pete wrote: ↑Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:56 pm With outfit associate mario rainone getting 15 years a few months back for being a felon in possession of a gun I think it makes magnafichi having the G choose not to even go forward with their case after finding him with a .40 pistol stink that much more. I know many of us have speculated on the 2 high level informants in the outfit and I can't think of any way for this huge disparity in how these guys were prosecuted for the same crime unless mags was/is beefing. Or there's some other info I'm missing?
It is very possible that Mags informs on the people he doesn't like or that wronged him but protects the people he likes that were good to him like Marco D'Amico. He really is in no different position than Frank Calabrese Jr. who is out in the open and not really too afraid of anything. By Mags being out in the open and being on Fosco's old Show, it basically guarantees his safety if he is an informer. The way that gun deal with Mags turned out with the G is very suspicious to say the least.
It's not written in stone that the Calabrese wont eventually get wacked.
I'll lay you 100 to 1 that Calabrese Jr. NEVER gets wacked. LOL

Lol. It was such a high profile case, Maybe the bosses made a decision years ago to leave it alone. Sometimes though it takes years to find the right time.

by **JeremyTheJew** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:10 am

very interesting about Capone rumored to be on coke. or heroin.

and this is before they were involved in selling it I believe...

Meyer Lansky after his kid died supposedly quit heroin cold turkey. locked himself in a cabin or something

by **Confederate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:16 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:06 pm
Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:32 pm
Pete wrote: ↑Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:56 pm With outfit associate mario rainone getting 15 years a few months back for being a felon in possession of a gun I think it makes magnafichi having the G choose not to even go forward with their case after finding him with a .40 pistol stink that much more. I know many of us have speculated on the 2 high level informants in the outfit and I can't think of any way for this huge disparity in how these guys were prosecuted for the same crime unless mags was/is beefing. Or there's some other info I'm missing?
It is very possible that Mags informs on the people he doesn't like or that wronged him but protects the people he likes that were good to him like Marco D'Amico. He really is in no different position than Frank Calabrese Jr. who is out in the open and not really too afraid of anything. By Mags being out in the open and being on Fosco's old Show, it basically guarantees his safety if he is an informer. The way that gun deal with Mags turned out with the G is very suspicious to say the least.
It's not written in stone that the Calabrese wont eventually get wacked.

I'll lay you 100 to 1 that Calabrese Jr. NEVER gets wacked. LOL

by **Confederate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:15 pm

Some of his stories were good but some of what he said was a bunch of bullshit gossip about women and he sounded like a bitter man to a certain degree. He also was arrested for shoplifting several times. I don't know what to make of the guy to be honest. I think he is a mixed up person who should never have been in the Outfit. He was too influenced by his Father. I think him being an Outfit guy has ruined his life. He got into something where he didn't belong. As far as him saying certain things that don't make sense like Marco not being made, I guess whenever Antiliar gets around to finishing his book that he's been working on for many years, maybe we'll hear his reason. When I read Fosco's interviews with Mags, Fosco said something to the effect that Marco owed the Elmwood Park people money years ago so that's why they had him work in a Bookmaking office to pay off the debt. Either Mags or Fosco also said Marco was an Alcoholic so that's a reason he supposedly wasn't made which is ridiculous because a lot of those guys drank too much and some even took drugs. So again, I don't know what to believe or what his motives really are or what to really make of the guy. He really doesn't impress me too much one way or the other but a few of his stories I heard were entertaining.

by **Frank** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:06 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:32 pm
Pete wrote: ↑Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:56 pm With outfit associate mario rainone getting 15 years a few months back for being a felon in possession of a gun I think it makes magnafichi having the G choose not to even go forward with their case after finding him with a .40 pistol stink that much more. I know many of us have speculated on the 2 high level informants in the outfit and I can't think of any way for this huge disparity in how these guys were prosecuted for the same crime unless mags was/is beefing. Or there's some other info I'm missing?
It is very possible that Mags informs on the people he doesn't like or that wronged him but protects the people he likes that were good to him like Marco D'Amico. He really is in no different position than Frank Calabrese Jr. who is out in the open and not really too afraid of anything. By Mags being out in the open and being on Fosco's old Show, it basically guarantees his safety if he is an informer. The way that gun deal with Mags turned out with the G is very suspicious to say the least.

It's not written in stone that the Calabrese wont eventually get wacked.

by **Frank** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:48 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:39 pm
Frank wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:23 pm
Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:32 pm
Pete wrote: ↑Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:56 pm With outfit associate mario rainone getting 15 years a few months back for being a felon in possession of a gun I think it makes magnafichi having the G choose not to even go forward with their case after finding him with a .40 pistol stink that much more. I know many of us have speculated on the 2 high level informants in the outfit and I can't think of any way for this huge disparity in how these guys were prosecuted for the same crime unless mags was/is beefing. Or there's some other info I'm missing?
It is very possible that Mags informs on the people he doesn't like or that wronged him but protects the people he likes that were good to him like Marco D'Amico. He really is in no different position than Frank Calabrese Jr. who is out in the open and not really too afraid of anything. By Mags being out in the open and being on Fosco's old Show, it basically guarantees his safety if he is an informer. The way that gun deal with Mags turned out with the G is very suspicious to say the least.
What I remember Mags talking about was stories about LCN people that have been dead for years. Mostly Cerone and Accardo, who if I remember right he would golf with them. I believe before he was made he was a driver for the bosses and golfed with them. He never implicated any living member.
What he may have said on Fosco's Show and what he may have said privately to someone else could have been two different things.

I'm not really disagreeing with you. For him to say anything on podcast can't be LCN policy. Even though all the people are dead, for him to acknowledge the meeting he, I assume drove Cerone to, with The Chin and Salerno and maybe others could be considered informing.He is on the shelf and still a member of the Outfit, so I would assume that current members didn't like that he did the podcast. I enjoyed listening to the podcast, I thought it was great that he did it.

by **Confederate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:39 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:23 pm
Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:32 pm
Pete wrote: ↑Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:56 pm With outfit associate mario rainone getting 15 years a few months back for being a felon in possession of a gun I think it makes magnafichi having the G choose not to even go forward with their case after finding him with a .40 pistol stink that much more. I know many of us have speculated on the 2 high level informants in the outfit and I can't think of any way for this huge disparity in how these guys were prosecuted for the same crime unless mags was/is beefing. Or there's some other info I'm missing?
It is very possible that Mags informs on the people he doesn't like or that wronged him but protects the people he likes that were good to him like Marco D'Amico. He really is in no different position than Frank Calabrese Jr. who is out in the open and not really too afraid of anything. By Mags being out in the open and being on Fosco's old Show, it basically guarantees his safety if he is an informer. The way that gun deal with Mags turned out with the G is very suspicious to say the least.
What I remember Mags talking about was stories about LCN people that have been dead for years. Mostly Cerone and Accardo, who if I remember right he would golf with them. I believe before he was made he was a driver for the bosses and golfed with them. He never implicated any living member.

What he may have said on Fosco's Show and what he may have said privately to someone else could have been two different things.

by **Frank** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:23 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:32 pm
Pete wrote: ↑Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:56 pm With outfit associate mario rainone getting 15 years a few months back for being a felon in possession of a gun I think it makes magnafichi having the G choose not to even go forward with their case after finding him with a .40 pistol stink that much more. I know many of us have speculated on the 2 high level informants in the outfit and I can't think of any way for this huge disparity in how these guys were prosecuted for the same crime unless mags was/is beefing. Or there's some other info I'm missing?
It is very possible that Mags informs on the people he doesn't like or that wronged him but protects the people he likes that were good to him like Marco D'Amico. He really is in no different position than Frank Calabrese Jr. who is out in the open and not really too afraid of anything. By Mags being out in the open and being on Fosco's old Show, it basically guarantees his safety if he is an informer. The way that gun deal with Mags turned out with the G is very suspicious to say the least.

What I remember Mags talking about was stories about LCN people that have been dead for years. Mostly Cerone and Accardo, who if I remember right he would golf with them. I believe before he was made he was a driver for the bosses and golfed with them. He never implicated any living member.

by **Confederate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:32 pm

Pete wrote: ↑Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:56 pm With outfit associate mario rainone getting 15 years a few months back for being a felon in possession of a gun I think it makes magnafichi having the G choose not to even go forward with their case after finding him with a .40 pistol stink that much more. I know many of us have speculated on the 2 high level informants in the outfit and I can't think of any way for this huge disparity in how these guys were prosecuted for the same crime unless mags was/is beefing. Or there's some other info I'm missing?

It is very possible that Mags informs on the people he doesn't like or that wronged him but protects the people he likes that were good to him like Marco D'Amico. He really is in no different position than Frank Calabrese Jr. who is out in the open and not really too afraid of anything. By Mags being out in the open and being on Fosco's old Show, it basically guarantees his safety if he is an informer. The way that gun deal with Mags turned out with the G is very suspicious to say the least.

by **Antiliar** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:47 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:33 pm
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:37 pm The "nose candy" story came from biography Lawrence Bergreen, and a lot of his claims have been debunked. There's no evidence that Capone was into coke. He may have tried it once or twice, but that's a guess and nothing more. He may have never tried it.
It would be great if we had his whole medical record during his stay prison, since some say that on those same records it was allegedly written that he has shown signs of dope addiction during his first few months. In other words he was allegedly suffering from withdrawal symptoms but I could be wrong since it could be just a myth. Anyways i wrote it down in my piece lol Also there are some rumours that even Luciano suffered from the same symptoms when he also went to prison and we all.know that those two guys were both young and rich and allegedly were quite close. On top of that, some guys around Al were pure dope addicts and held high positions, like Heeney and the DeGrazias for example. In other words it was normal even then to be a mobster and at the same time to snort coke or smoke opium and i strongly believe that guys like them did not feel traditional at all but instead they looked upon themselves as pure American gangsters, which later might be one of the main reasons for guys like Humphreys to really hate drugs

The full medical record was put on auction about a year ago, but even without that there's a lot of medical information from the National Archives in San Bruno (it covers Alcatraz and notes his history). I didn't see anything that indicated he was suffering from withdrawal symptoms when he went to Atlanta before he was transferred to Alcatraz. There's also info in his FBI file about his stay in Atlanta.

by **Confederate** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:20 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:18 pm Mags hasn't been "in the know" about anything recent since the early 2000s, and any crime he could beef about would have already passed the statute of limitations. Do you think any made guy would trust him after everything he's said online in the past several years? He's publicly criticized the DiFronzos, talked about he and Jackie Cerone used to go after other people's wives (including made members), and made it known that Albie Vena is a dangerous guy. Only a person who is done with the Outfit would go on record about those things, and no current member would have anything to do with him except for maybe saying "Hi" and "Bye."

There is no statute of limitations on murder.

by **Villain** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:33 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:37 pm The "nose candy" story came from biography Lawrence Bergreen, and a lot of his claims have been debunked. There's no evidence that Capone was into coke. He may have tried it once or twice, but that's a guess and nothing more. He may have never tried it.

It would be great if we had his whole medical record during his stay prison, since some say that on those same records it was allegedly written that he has shown signs of dope addiction during his first few months. In other words he was allegedly suffering from withdrawal symptoms but I could be wrong since it could be just a myth. Anyways i wrote it down in my piece lol Also there are some rumours that even Luciano suffered from the same symptoms when he also went to prison and we all.know that those two guys were both young and rich and allegedly were quite close. On top of that, some guys around Al were pure dope addicts and held high positions, like Heeney and the DeGrazias for example. In other words it was normal even then to be a mobster and at the same time to snort coke or smoke opium and i strongly believe that guys like them did not feel traditional at all but instead they looked upon themselves as pure American gangsters, which later might be one of the main reasons for guys like Humphreys to really hate drugs

by **Frank** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:55 pm

Thanks Antiliar. All the people that watched Making of the Mob we're very misinformed. Not only about the coke habit but Accardo, rise to power was depicted to early in his career. Also not one mention of Campagnia or Rio and others

by **Antiliar** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:37 pm

The "nose candy" story came from biography Lawrence Bergreen, and a lot of his claims have been debunked. There's no evidence that Capone was into coke. He may have tried it once or twice, but that's a guess and nothing more. He may have never tried it. In that same book, Bergreen claimed that Capone secretly answered to Frank La Porte, which makes no sense at all. La Porte was under Jimmy Emery, who was under Dominic Roberto. A better bio of Capone is Robert Schoenberg's "Mr. Capone."

by **Frank** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:24 pm

I got the impression Capone was pretty smart but too smart for his own good. I think the nose candy and the VD did him in. Maybe to out there in public,with violence and other things. Put together a pretty good organization at young age.

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