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Re: Early San Jose

by Frank » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:25 am

Ok thank you Antiliar. So basically he came up in the old Morrello Family. Was made around 1917. Was Genovese and Costello made around that time?

Re: Early San Jose

by Antiliar » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:01 am

Chris Christie: When Dragna was made is a guess, and I would say that Fratianno was making a guesstimate. As a young man in Sicily he was with Paolino Streva, who was apparently Giuseppe Morello's capodecina in Corleone, then in New York Dragna was with the Morellos before he moved to Los Angeles. That was around 1914. So my guess is that he was made between 1910 and 1914, either in Sicily, Tunis or New York.

Frank: There's no evidence that Luciano worked for Rothstein. Luciano said that the loaned money to Rothstein and that's as much as we know that's confirmed. Don't believe anything from "The Last Testament of Lucky Luciano." It's not a legit source.

Re: Early San Jose

by Frank » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:45 am

I'm surprised Luciano was made that early. Wasn't he working for Rothstein during the beginning of prohibition? When did he join up with Masseria?

Re: Early San Jose

by Angelo Santino » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:43 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:38 am Yeah according to Frattiano Dragna was made in 1916. I don't know if he was in LA that early. If not he could be another California Boss that was made in NY.


Pogo
(When in doubt) Ask Antiliar. He researched this before.

I want to say he was in NYC at that time but I could very well be mistaken on that. If he was, interesting to note that Luciano was rumored to have been made in 1917. If both are correct then they were made when Salvatore Loiacano was boss.

Re: Early San Jose

by Pogo The Clown » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:38 am

Yeah according to Frattiano Dragna was made in 1916. I don't know if he was in LA that early. If not he could be another California Boss that was made in NY.


Pogo

Re: Early San Jose

by Geekgang666 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:11 pm

Here is a great article that y'all can read on L.A. mob boss Jack Dragna:

https://mafiagenealogy.wordpress.com/20 ... am-streva/

Re: Early San Jose

by Angelo Santino » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:52 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:35 am
Confederate wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:04 pm I thought Los Angeles was represented by Chicago on the Commission? Didn't Chicago represent everybody West including San Francisco, San Jose, Denver? Los Angeles had Fratiano who came from Chicago along with Roselli who was always out there.

Seems that didn't apply to the California families. Probably becuase they were so well connected to NY. In addition to the SF Boss Frank Lanza once being a Bonanno member the Boss of LA, Jack Dragna, was Tommy Luccheses' cousin.


Pogo
Dragna was also Corleonese and may have gotten his start under the Morellos as he came from Italian Harlem.

Re: Early San Jose

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:35 am

Confederate wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:04 pm I thought Los Angeles was represented by Chicago on the Commission? Didn't Chicago represent everybody West including San Francisco, San Jose, Denver? Los Angeles had Fratiano who came from Chicago along with Roselli who was always out there.

Seems that didn't apply to the California families. Probably becuase they were so well connected to NY. In addition to the SF Boss Frank Lanza once being a Bonanno member the Boss of LA, Jack Dragna, was Tommy Luccheses' cousin.


Pogo

Re: Early San Jose

by Confederate » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:04 pm

Antiliar wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:56 am In the early 60s the representation of Los Angeles switched from Lucchese to the Bonannos. That's when Joe B wanted to send his son down there and take over. Desimone complained to the other Commission members after he found out and was given to another Family. So maybe Profaci didn't always represent San Jose.
I thought Los Angeles was represented by Chicago on the Commission? Didn't Chicago represent everybody West including San Francisco, San Jose, Denver? Los Angeles had Fratiano who came from Chicago along with Roselli who was always out there.

Re: Early San Jose

by Geekgang666 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:55 pm

Onofrio Sciortino (1891-1959) was one of the founding members of the San Jose, CA crime family. The San Jose, CA crime family was a break-away faction of the much older San Francisco crime family. The FBI claims it was formed in 1942, and led by Onofrio Sciortino. Sciortino would derive a majority of his profits from loansharking, gambling and prostitution. He was considered the first official LCN crime boss of San Jose until he death on September 10, 1959 from a massive heart attack while reading a newspaper. He had a brother name Carmelo Sciortino who also was in the mafia.

Re: Early San Jose

by Geekgang666 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:52 pm

Carmelo Sciortino (1885-1955) was a member of the San Jose, CA crime family. Carmelo Sciortino and his brother Onofrio Sciortino were ex members of the San Francisco crime family and were founding members of the San Jose, CA crime family. Carmelo Sciortino have been a active member around the 1940-50's.

Re: Early San Jose

by Geekgang666 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:49 pm

Salvatore Cerrito was a soldier in the San Jose crime family and brother of onetime boss Joseph Cerrito. Not much is known about Salvatore Cerrito other than he was born in Villabate, Palermo,Sicily. He came with his parents Stefano and Paola (Ferritto) and siblings, Giuseppe, Geatano, and Benevenita. Salvatore and his brother Giuseppe (Joseph) first came to New York. They both became members of the San Jose mob under boss Onofrio Sciortino. Joseph became the boss of San Jose around 1959 while Sal remained a low level soldier. Salvatore Cerrito died of natural causes in October of 1978 in Los Gatos.

Re: Early San Jose

by Geekgang666 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:45 pm

Dominick "Dom" Anzalone (1903-1983) was a prominent member of the San Jose crime family and former Monessen, PA. gambling racketeer. Anzalone was born in Ventimiglia Palermo, Italy on Feb 11, 1903, He was described as short and swarthy and first resided in Pennsylvania upon his arrival in the U.S. where he claimed to be a fruit merchant and was associated with the Pittsburgh crime family. He controlled a nationwide horse racing racket in Westmoreland and Fayette County. Anzalone also owned some 20 race horses and took bets and fixed horse races. His legal troubles began in the early 1950s when Anzalone was charged with falsely representing himself as an American citizen (claiming to be born in Louisiana) but the conviction was later overturned on a technicality. Around this time he also began to face deportation proceedings over his reputation as an alleged "Racket's boss" and was the main subject of a Maryland Racing Commission investigation on mafia infiltration in horse racing in Baltimore for 'buying' jockeys. Anzalone once admitted before a court of law that he was a gambler and "did very well at it". In June 1956, deportation actions by the US prosecutors were thrown out and Anzalone was permitted to remain in the United States. Anzalone, like many other Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh family mobsters, later moved west to San Jose in 1961. He became a soldier of the San Jose crime family under Joseph Cerrito and remained active in organized criminal activities until his death in 1983.

Re: Early San Jose

by Pogo The Clown » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:32 pm

Faranzano will think Masseria ordered the hit 'cause Tommy changed sides. The Bronx is at stake. He'll have to strike back.


Pogo

Re: Early San Jose

by Angelo Santino » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:29 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:52 am Great stuff guy's. Especially the discovering that San Jose likely broke off from San Francisco and their ties to D'Aquila.

Chris Christie wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:49 pm San Francisco also had connections to Williamsburgh, Boss Frank Lanza is another guy from the "Class of Schiro" (my name for it) which included Magaddino, Sabella, Milazzo, Messina etc. The Sciortinos might have been with that group, I don't think or recall anyone verifying it. Nick Gentile, when he landed back in the US in 1921, transferred from Boston to Brooklyn to San Francisco and maybe that was him moving through neutral factions.

Interesting how the Bonannos produced the Bosses for at least 5 other families. Shows just how much these groups were organized and interconnected from the earliest days. Just further puts to rest the whole Luciano and 1931 narrative.




Pogo
"When Tommy Reina went with Faranzano, Don Masseria made Tommy pay a price: me... Meyer, from now on, you and me gotta agree. So if I start getting a swelled head, just shoot me. It'd be a lot less painful."

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