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Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by Rocco » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:53 am

Chicago wrote:The Strawman Cases using the Rico Act by far damaged the Outfit more than anything. The Outfit slowly went downhill from there.
You can mark 1985 in the History books as the slow beginning of the end for the Outfit as we once knew it.

The Family Secrets Trial was more of a dog & pony show for the Feds.
Lombardo was already retired and out of it. Calabrese was already in jail from 1995.
The only real loss there was Marcello.
The Outfit was survived both family Secrets and the straw man cases. The most important things revealed in these cases are the crimes. Meaning the veil was pulled for the whole world to see. The secrets were out. Straw man case you had the wire taps and the ins and out a of the rackets revealed. It basically exposed the Outfit in Vegas and really because of that they were never able to get those rackets back. The skim was gone forever. LE can only succeed when LCN can't get its rackets back.
Family secrets. The veil was pulled again ...the murders were revealed in great details. Murders that everyone thought would go unsolved forever. The myth is over.

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by phatmatress » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:43 pm

Chicago wrote:Chicago was always a little different than New York in a few things.

In Chicago, soldiers were really more like associates who belonged to the sub crews and worked under street bosses who were considered made guys who
were partnered with Capos ( Big Area Bosses). Chicago always limited the number of guys who were of made status for security reasons and to maximize the Profits for the upper echelon.
Calabrese was a Street Boss who ran a sub Crew in partnership with his brother Nick Calabrese. Nick was a junior partner to his older brother, Frank.
This sub crew belonged to the 26th Street Group and they were partnered with Angelo LaPietra who was the Boss (Capo) of that large group.
There were other street bosses running sub Crews in the 26th Street Group besides the Calabrese Brothers.
Frank Calabrese's son, Frank Junior, would be considered a soldier/associate who belonged to the crew and worked under his father and uncle.

Street Bosses like Calabrese, at least in the old days, were very powerful guys.
like I said idk much about Chicago seems to be a little more complicated then philly nyc etc etc


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Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by phatmatress » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:12 pm

Dwalin2014 wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Meatball wrote:The Family Secrets Trial in Chicago back in 2007. One of the most significant blows to The Outfit in a long time.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatio ... #The_trial
This is pretty significant because the murders in this case have alluded the law for many decades. And of course the true story about how they went down. Like the Spilotro murders etc. I don't know too much about Chicago so I can't say it decemated the outfit or not. I know some of the guys taken down in the case were already in prison and old.
I don't think Family Secrets harmed the Outfit much. Only a semi-retired capo (Lombardo), front boss (Marcello) and a soldier (Calabrese) got life sentences.
i know next nothing about the outfit, but calabrese was only a solider? I hear about him often....was he like Roy demeo and only ranked a solider but was more then the average foot solider ? I loved the recent story of the priest and the violin


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Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by Dwalin2014 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:09 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:I'd say the loss of Marcello and Lombardo were pretty big blows. They were 2 of the top guy's and it isn't like the Outft had a deep bench by that point. They were pretty decimated by then.


Pogo
rayray wrote:I'd say Family Secrets taking down Marcello was significant and Lombardo, was he completely retired or not? He was worth a pretty penny in real estate but I find it hard to believe he walked away 100 percent.


Even this last trial in Philly basically hog-tying Ligambi was disruptive in it's own way.
Maybe, but still 3 life sentences isn't much for an organization that has dozens of members at least (today I think, earlier it was certainly bigger than a couple of dozens). The Hollywood trial was a bigger menace, even though they bought their freedom after 3,5 years, I bet they had to part with a quite big sum of their money to obtain that result. And the Strawman trial was also more important that the latest ones I think because even if it didn't hit Accardo, it damaged more mafia clans at the same time, hitting not only Chicago, but also Cleveland, Milwaukee and Kansas city, all at the same time.

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by rayray » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:57 am

I'd say Family Secrets taking down Marcello was significant and Lombardo, was he completely retired or not? He was worth a pretty penny in real estate but I find it hard to believe he walked away 100 percent.


Even this last trial in Philly basically hog-tying Ligambi was disruptive in it's own way.

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:31 am

I'd say the loss of Marcello and Lombardo were pretty big blows. They were 2 of the top guy's and it isn't like the Outft had a deep bench by that point. They were pretty decimated by then.


Pogo

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by Dwalin2014 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:39 am

Rocco wrote:
Meatball wrote:The Family Secrets Trial in Chicago back in 2007. One of the most significant blows to The Outfit in a long time.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatio ... #The_trial
This is pretty significant because the murders in this case have alluded the law for many decades. And of course the true story about how they went down. Like the Spilotro murders etc. I don't know too much about Chicago so I can't say it decemated the outfit or not. I know some of the guys taken down in the case were already in prison and old.
I don't think Family Secrets harmed the Outfit much. Only a semi-retired capo (Lombardo), front boss (Marcello) and a soldier (Calabrese) got life sentences.

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by Rocco » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:22 am

Meatball wrote:The Family Secrets Trial in Chicago back in 2007. One of the most significant blows to The Outfit in a long time.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatio ... #The_trial
This is pretty significant because the murders in this case have alluded the law for many decades. And of course the true story about how they went down. Like the Spilotro murders etc. I don't know too much about Chicago so I can't say it decemated the outfit or not. I know some of the guys taken down in the case were already in prison and old.

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by Meatball » Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:40 am

The Family Secrets Trial in Chicago back in 2007. One of the most significant blows to The Outfit in a long time.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatio ... #The_trial

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by rayray » Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:18 am

The Maxi Trial in Palermo that resulted in over 350 getting convicted. Buscetta was a prosecution witness.

The Pizza Connection trial that resulted in over 20 mafioso getting convicted. Buscetta was also a prosecution witness explaining the workings of the mafia and the heroin trade.

The French Connection, not sure if this was actually considered a trial but did involve many arrests and convictions.

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by J Block » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:33 am

Nice list, Dwalin.

Now isn't it convenient/suspicious that the trial with the greatest potential to end or cripple the Mafia never fully seized those opportunities?


How about the 'Blue Thunder' case? (early 90's, tying in investigations from the late 80's)
Big heroin bust with huge sentences, for some ;)

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by Dwalin2014 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:59 pm

NickyEyes1 wrote:Cooley informing and losing the first ward was no doubt the biggest blow to the outfit
I agree. But even then Pat Marcy had the last laugh by dying before serving a day.

Re: Most relevant organized crime trials

by NickyEyes1 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:50 pm

Cooley informing and losing the first ward was no doubt the biggest blow to the outfit

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