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by **Eline2015** » Fri May 18, 2018 11:20 pm

John Vitale of St Louis was made in 1934

by **Pogo The Clown** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:42 pm

For Cleveland we can add Al Polizzi in 1925.

Pogo

by **scott22** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:50 pm

Frank the Bomb from Detroit wasn't made in the 1950s. He didn't get his button until the 1974 ceremony with Ronnie Morelli - Joe Zerilli's last induction ceremony.

Scott

by **Stroccos** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:14 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:18 am He was mentioned as a Soldier at the time of his drug bust. The legitimacy of his induction is questionable though.

Pogo

I was just busting your chops , all I know when the feds offered ronnie A deal he laughed them out the room . If it wasn't for one one of his partners flipping after the bust , he was going to trial . well if you read his Indictment there is zero mention of the lcn. around the late 90's and early the Feds were going after joe looses guys . remeber the mob died here in the 80's . Lol Ironically Only one of the indictments mention lcn. That is the joe Capp gambling bust In lords town .

by **Pogo The Clown** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:18 am

He was mentioned as a Soldier at the time of his drug bust. The legitimacy of his induction is questionable though.

Pogo

by **Stroccos** » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:20 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:50 pm For Cleveland you can add Ronald Lucarelli in 2000. Here are some for LA.

1946:
Aladena “Jimmy the Weasel” Fratianno
Louis “Louie” Dragna
Charles “Charlie Dip” Dippolito
Luigi “Dago Louie” Piscopo
Jimmy "Dominic Brooklier" Regace

1952:
Joseph “Joe Dip” Dippolito
Angelo Polizzi
Carlo Licata
Charles “Charlie Bats” Battaglia
Giuseppe “Joe” Adamo
Joseph LiMandri
-Jimmy Fratianno promoted to Capo at this ceremony.

-The books were closed from 1956-1968.

1968-1974:
Peter Milano
Frank Stellino
Dominic Longo (1974)
Samuel Sciortino - ?

1977:
Michael “Rizzi” Rizzitello
-Separate Ceremony
Thomas "Tommy" Ricciardi
Luigi “Louie” Gelfuso

Early 1980s: (1982?)
Carmen "Flipper" Milano
John “Johnny V” Vaccaro

Early 1980s-1984:
Vincent "Jimmy" Caci
John Aquilante
Dominick "The Pig" Raffone
Russell “Rusty” Massetta

Early 1984:
Charles “Bobby Milano” Caci
Rocco "Rocky Bigfot" Zangari
Stephen “The Whale” Cino

March 1984:
Anthony “The Animal” Fiato

what is your source on lucarelli in 2000? where was it reported ?

by **Pogo The Clown** » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:30 am

Good stuff Cavita. Thanks.

Pogo

by **cavita** » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:37 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:25 am Thanks Snakes. I edited my post. Here are some for Rockford. Originally posted by Cavita.

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Rockford Ceremonies:

May 1959:
Frank Buscemi
Phil “The Tailor” Emordeno

January 16, 1965:
Sebastian “Knobby” Gulotta
Joseph “Joma” Maggio
Frank Correnti

After some digging:

Joe “Gramps” Marinelli made early 1950s sponsored by capo Lorenzo Buttice
Phil Cannella made 1956- sponsored by father-in-law George Saladino
Phil Priola made 1957
Phil “The Tailor” Emoredeno made May 3, 1959
Frank Buscemi made May 3, 1959
Sebastian “Knobby” Gulotta made January 16, 1965 sponsored by boss Joe Zammuto
Frank Correnti made January 16, 1965
Joe “Joma” Maggio made May 1965
Joe DiGirolamo made May 1965
1970s Illinois Crime Commission report and Rockford Register Star investigation alludes that new members were made in early 1970s
Salvatore “Sam” Galluzzo indications he was made in April 1980
Rockford Register Star investigation reported that law enforcement stated new members possibly made in early 1980s

by **Stroccos** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:24 am

B. wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:37 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:20 am
Where does the 1976 come from for the Ciancaglini ceremony?

It came from Leonetti's testimony at that commission in 1991/2. He said Ciancaglini was made in 1976 or 77 (most likely 76 since that was also the year Stanfa was made in Philly). Caramandi also says Ciancaglini got made in the mid 70s in his book.

I don't think Felix Bocchichio and Charles Vilotti turning membership down had any connection the the 1965 induction. I'm under the impression that they, at least Bocchichio, had turned membership down many years earlier.

This was also in Leonetti's testimony. They were supposed to be made at this ceremony but turned it down. Though of course they could have turned down membership years before.

Don't remember the others.

Pogo
Thanks, I'll have to track down that testimony again. I wish Leonetti had agreed to do a forum Q & A. These guys have so much peripheral knowledge on top of everything else, they just need the right questions to be asked.

For the right price I am sure he would

by B. » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:37 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:20 am
Where does the 1976 come from for the Ciancaglini ceremony?

It came from Leonetti's testimony at that commission in 1991/2. He said Ciancaglini was made in 1976 or 77 (most likely 76 since that was also the year Stanfa was made in Philly). Caramandi also says Ciancaglini got made in the mid 70s in his book.

I don't think Felix Bocchichio and Charles Vilotti turning membership down had any connection the the 1965 induction. I'm under the impression that they, at least Bocchichio, had turned membership down many years earlier.

This was also in Leonetti's testimony. They were supposed to be made at this ceremony but turned it down. Though of course they could have turned down membership years before.

Don't remember the others.

Pogo

Thanks, I'll have to track down that testimony again. I wish Leonetti had agreed to do a forum Q & A. These guys have so much peripheral knowledge on top of everything else, they just need the right questions to be asked.

by **Costigan** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:33 pm

I don't know how accurate this is, but this is what someone on another site had as guys made by Dom Brooklier in the 70s & early 80s. Obviously Mike Rizzi & Ricciardi are correct. The last three or four guys were pornographers.

Mike Rizzitello - Remade after his illegitimate backseat introduction.
Tommy Ricciardi - Made as a reward for clipping Bomp.
Lou Castiglione - Longtime associate of Mike Rizzi. Originally associated with the Gallo brothers in New York.
Joe Arieno - another Rizzi associate involved in his mail fraud case. Active in the record business during the '70s.
Joe Agosto - Another member of the Orange County faction closely aligned with Mike Rizzi.
Tony Descisciolo -
Al Ponticelli
Kenny Paladino
Fred Alfano & Michael Collela - Owners of Talk of the Valley Adult Bookstore.

by **Stroccos** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:29 pm

I believe carmen Milano was made in 1983 because that is when he left Cleveland
Nick nardi may of also been made at some point In the early 80's by Pete Milano

by **Pogo The Clown** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:50 pm

For Cleveland you can add Ronald Lucarelli in 2000. Here are some for LA.

1946:
Aladena “Jimmy the Weasel” Fratianno
Louis “Louie” Dragna
Charles “Charlie Dip” Dippolito
Luigi “Dago Louie” Piscopo
Jimmy "Dominic Brooklier" Regace

1952:
Joseph “Joe Dip” Dippolito
Angelo Polizzi
Carlo Licata
Charles “Charlie Bats” Battaglia
Giuseppe “Joe” Adamo
Joseph LiMandri
-Jimmy Fratianno promoted to Capo at this ceremony.

-The books were closed from 1956-1968.

1968-1974:
Peter Milano
Frank Stellino
Dominic Longo (1974)
Samuel Sciortino - ?

1977:
Michael “Rizzi” Rizzitello
-Separate Ceremony
Thomas "Tommy" Ricciardi
Luigi “Louie” Gelfuso

Early 1980s: (1982?)
Carmen "Flipper" Milano
John “Johnny V” Vaccaro

Early 1980s-1984:
Vincent "Jimmy" Caci
John Aquilante
Dominick "The Pig" Raffone
Russell “Rusty” Massetta

Early 1984:
Charles “Bobby Milano” Caci
Rocco "Rocky Bigfot" Zangari
Stephen “The Whale” Cino

March 1984:
Anthony “The Animal” Fiato

by **Stroccos** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:44 pm

Cleveland for starters
Books closed from roughly 1950-1977

1925 ?
Alfred polizzi
1929
John scalish , frank brancato , John demarco

1947 1948 1949 ? Lonardo said he was made in late 40's I belief some others also made here as well
Angelo lonardo

1977
John calandra
Anthony libertore

1979
Joey Gallo
Tommy sinito

1983
Russell papalardo
Joseph iacobacci

by **Pogo The Clown** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:20 am

Where does the 1976 come from for the Ciancaglini ceremony?

It came from Leonetti's testimony at that commission in 1991/2. He said Ciancaglini was made in 1976 or 77 (most likely 76 since that was also the year Stanfa was made in Philly). Caramandi also says Ciancaglini got made in the mid 70s in his book.

I don't think Felix Bocchichio and Charles Vilotti turning membership down had any connection the the 1965 induction. I'm under the impression that they, at least Bocchichio, had turned membership down many years earlier.

This was also in Leonetti's testimony. They were supposed to be made at this ceremony but turned it down. Though of course they could have turned down membership years before.

Don't remember the others.

Pogo

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