THE BLACK HAND FORUM

by **Rocco** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:45 pm

Hailbritain wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:53 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:29 am From I what I recall it was the Ida situation which led to that change in the Genovese family.

Pogo
Yeah I remember capeci reporting on this , Ida was pissed that bellomo took a plea , they put him in protective custody in prison for a while because of it

Ida was a moron for going to trial. Not Barney's problem that Ida shit the bed.. But I would imagine when you get life without parole you do allot of bitching...

by **Rocco** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:43 pm

Lupara wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:06 am What horrible crime did Bellomo commit for them to seek the death penalty? Did he rape and murder a 4 year old or something?

Had is close friend killed....no big deal...

by **Slumpy** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:11 pm

Riina testifying to what? Last I heard of Riina and the courts was a few weeks ago when they announced they would convene to determine if they would allow Riina out of prison on humanitarian grounds. he's dying... of cancer, I think?

by **TommyNoto** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:21 pm

I don't think Barney was ever formally charged with the Ralph Coppola disappearance

The Feds dropped the DiLorenzo murder charge after passing the polygraph test . I agree with Lupara as seeking the death penalty for Barney crime was a poor move by the Feds , at least with the knowledge we have today . Barney shoved the death penalty bluff right up the Feds asses with no Vasoline, that we can confirm lol .

The recent Feds having Bellomo as the boss is pretty funny too as they also admitted they have no evidence he ever committed a parole violation or crime since his 2008 release.

Now I think most people agreee with the Feds , myself included but Barney does seem very capable .

I believe with the Fish heroin bust he evaded LE on a long high speed car chase in which he had $200,000 of the Feds money , lol.

I don't see many west side guys getting out of line with hi. In charge as they know there will be severe consequences. If Chin had him running things so young then we know he is a stickler for the rules and more importantly enforcing the rules . I would speculate operations are running very smoothly for the west side recently .

by **OlBlueEyesClub** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:36 pm

Toto Riina isnt going to testify, not in the way we're taught to think of it anyhow. I remember posting about this a while back after seeing it on ansa, and asking how legit it was because I hadnt seen it anywhere else when it comes to sources. And I'd think news of that stature wouldve made its rounds.

by **Wiseguy** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:28 pm

Lupara wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:06 am What horrible crime did Bellomo commit for them to seek the death penalty? Did he rape and murder a 4 year old or something?

The Ralph Coppola hit

by **bronx** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:58 am

they had ida in the terrorist unit in mcc, trying to break him..he is small in stature but big in toughness. ny prosecuters will try to scare you with the death penalty component , but the G knows they can blow a case if the jury knows that could be the outcome.so allmost all the time the do not go to d.c. for that option.

by **Hailbritain** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:53 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:29 am From I what I recall it was the Ida situation which led to that change in the Genovese family.

Pogo

Yeah I remember capeci reporting on this , Ida was pissed that bellomo took a plea , they put him in protective custody in prison for a while because of it

by **Lupara** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:06 am

What horrible crime did Bellomo commit for them to seek the death penalty? Did he rape and murder a 4 year old or something?

by **bronx** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:48 pm

Hello Jeremy, if you take the deal that is offered with the stipulation of admitting to x y or z.that is up to you. but if you are not happy with what they want, you can refuse, maybe more time or even trial..i agree to admit being the boss or a boss or anything mafia was a death sentence in days gone by , but after persico, badalamente, and many others , you can not blame barney or anyone else in todays times..for Charlie post, the G can give you a few types of subpoena's . all of you do not have to ever answer questions, you can take the fifth.the one they give you immunity can put you in jail for the life of the grand jury if you do not answer,if you are a major target ,you will never get that one..you would be able to admit to 10 murders and never be charged ..so if they gave it to barney ,he would have gotten ,what is called dead time if your doing prison time already,your sentence stops while you do the contempt charge .

by **Pogo The Clown** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:29 am

From I what I recall it was the Ida situation which led to that change in the Genovese family.

Pogo

by **Wiseguy** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:40 am

It seems the Genovese took the most pragmatic approach when they led the way with taking plea deals (which often include allocution) in order to minimize time in prison and be out as soon as possible. It appears Ida didnt get the memo however.

by **JeremyTheJew** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:37 am

it makes more sense now that I think about it.... when you pled guilty you do have to admit such and such.

it was just a surprise that he would admit to being the head of the Gen, and then eventually become the official head!

by **Charlie** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:34 am

This really is nothing new like B explained.
That case was a bit special though, they were going for the death penalty on Bellomo, which is why he took the polygraph (successfully if my memory serves me right). The feds also wanted to issue supboenas to compell him and Generoso to testify in Gigante's trial...So it really was a complex situation.
The only guy who rolled the dice and went to trial is still is jail by the way...Jimmy Ida was sentenced to life without parole for this very case. Seems to me it was worth admitting to being acting boss of a not so secret society anymore.

by **JeremyTheJew** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:41 pm

B. wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:27 pm I'd have to see an actual transcript and/or the article you're talking about, but many organized crime plea deals require defendants to admit guilt to the crime(s), acknowledge the existence of the organization, and acknowledge their role in the organization. I am guessing as part of his plea deal, Bellomo had to admit he had been the acting boss (as he was charged) which is different than him casually dropping that he ran the family out of nowhere.

On one hand a lot of plea deals force them to "break omerta", but in exchange a lot of information doesn't get shared as it would in open court. The government may get them to admit there is a mafia with a boss, underboss, etc. and they commit crimes for a mob family, but that information is already made available as soon as an indictment hits. They can on the other hand prevent witness testimony and other evidence from going public if they cut a deal.

I'm going to find where I read this. I will admit, I found it while reading posts on GBB , but it does make sense what you said. So really; Theres not much more to look into.

As for Riina... I did not realize that he was scheduled to even testify. Against or for who? Where can I find some write ups about this?

This Is very far fetched I'm sure, but he wouldn't have any kind of knowledge on the whole Canada situation would he?

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