THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Frank wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:06 am It's strange that Sarno wasn't mentioned as LCN. Because I've seen him listed on multiple places as succeeding Marcello as boss. Didn't he do time when the Infelise crew were all sent to prison in the 1990s. Wasn't he responsible for the Chiaramonti and Tony Zizzo hits over slot machines. Also read were Zizzo was never the underboss.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:43 pm

Snakes wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:45 am To my recollection, he was never labeled as THE boss or acting boss but, as is too often the case in Chicago, "a" boss. He was referred to later on in the Tribune as Cicero crew leader. He was definitely mentioned as being in some type of top leadership role but being on my phone, it's a little more difficult for me to find it.

The federal government in their indictments have also never referred to anyone in the Outfit as being "made" or as being in some type of leadership position other than as "head" or "in charge" of a crew. The only exception is in the Family Secrets trial. Presumably, this is because they had nobody available (besides Nicholas Calabrese) to testify definitively as to the defendants' respective positions. The "Outfit" or "LCN" isn't even mentioned in Sarno's indictment.

The Family Secrets indictment would be an exception because Marcello and the Calabreses are all specified as made members of the Outfit.

Snakes wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:45 am To my recollection, he was never labeled as THE boss or acting boss but, as is too often the case in Chicago, "a" boss. He was referred to later on in the Tribune as Cicero crew leader. He was definitely mentioned as being in some type of top leadership role but being on my phone, it's a little more difficult for me to find it.

The federal government in their indictments have also never referred to anyone in the Outfit as being "made" or as being in some type of leadership position other than as "head" or "in charge" of a crew. The only exception is in the Family Secrets trial. Presumably, this is because they had nobody available (besides Nicholas Calabrese) to testify definitively as to the defendants' respective positions. The "Outfit" or "LCN" isn't even mentioned in Sarno's indictment.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2017 10:56 pm This is another example of why the Outfit is fucked up.
The outfit genuinely doesn't seem like an OC group but a group of genuine serial killers and psychopaths. WHY would Capo's want to personally BEAT to death someone?!
Let's examine this for a second. They don't assign someone WELL down the chain to put two bullets into the back of someone's head, they THEMSELVES, BEAT, and strangle and club to death their victims. As bosses. What. The. Fuck.
And this isn't 'offenders' who've done something personal.
There's seriously something wrong with a lot of outfit guys. Not wrong in a criminal sense because obviously that's wrong but wrong in a humane sense.
I understand that on that side of the law violence may be necessary to keep the line. But a 50+ year old boss doing the deed themselves with a bat or cord? That's something different. That's not doing it because you have to. That's another level.

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:13 am Your welcome that's just a ballpark figure.If Sarno really made new members during his 5 years as front boss. Never have heard any names .Solly DiLaurentis had to straighten things out between the older members and the new Sarno loyalist it was reported.So that leads me to believe he made new members.