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Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Wiseguy » Mon May 15, 2017 10:40 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 12:01 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 9:09 am
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 10:28 pm None off the top of my head. But we don't have enough info on all the making ceremonies .That doesn't change the fact though that outsiders CAN be invited. Where did Capeci claim there is a longstanding rule against this?
In his book The Idiot's Guide to the Mafia, page 318.

"As Bill Bonanno knows, only family members can attend an induction ceremony. Not La Cosa Nostra members but members of that family. Every FBI informer, every Mafia turncoat, every organized crime expert who has ever testified about it in federal trial has made that clear, from Joe Valachi on down. This information was confirmed at two inductions that were tape-recorded by authorities. There have been several occassions where mobsters were excluded from induction ceremonies of their sons or brothers because they were being "made" by other families."
I don't think that book should be taken that seriously. At least not in the segments where he tries to be clever, combining humor with facts. His funny facts sinks his credibility in my opinion. And I'm sure others agree.
Whether you like him adding humor or not, what he said on the subject stands. I don't see much reason to question it when nobody can think of any credible examples to the contrary. In fact, I don't know where you got the idea that outsiders could attend initiation ceremonies, HK.

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by HairyKnuckles » Mon May 15, 2017 12:01 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 9:09 am
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 10:28 pm None off the top of my head. But we don't have enough info on all the making ceremonies .That doesn't change the fact though that outsiders CAN be invited. Where did Capeci claim there is a longstanding rule against this?
In his book The Idiot's Guide to the Mafia, page 318.

"As Bill Bonanno knows, only family members can attend an induction ceremony. Not La Cosa Nostra members but members of that family. Every FBI informer, every Mafia turncoat, every organized crime expert who has ever testified about it in federal trial has made that clear, from Joe Valachi on down. This information was confirmed at two inductions that were tape-recorded by authorities. There have been several occassions where mobsters were excluded from induction ceremonies of their sons or brothers because they were being "made" by other families."
I don't think that book should be taken that seriously. At least not in the segments where he tries to be clever, combining humor with facts. His funny facts sinks his credibility in my opinion. And I'm sure others agree.

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Wiseguy » Mon May 15, 2017 9:09 am

HairyKnuckles wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 10:28 pm None off the top of my head. But we don't have enough info on all the making ceremonies .That doesn't change the fact though that outsiders CAN be invited. Where did Capeci claim there is a longstanding rule against this?
In his book The Idiot's Guide to the Mafia, page 318.

"As Bill Bonanno knows, only family members can attend an induction ceremony. Not La Cosa Nostra members but members of that family. Every FBI informer, every Mafia turncoat, every organized crime expert who has ever testified about it in federal trial has made that clear, from Joe Valachi on down. This information was confirmed at two inductions that were tape-recorded by authorities. There have been several occassions where mobsters were excluded from induction ceremonies of their sons or brothers because they were being "made" by other families."

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by HairyKnuckles » Sun May 14, 2017 10:28 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 12:51 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:14 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:39 am
Rocco wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 5:52 pm Why is that Provenzano guy in Gangland news? Hes not in the mob nor was he ever associated with LCN? He had a great uncle? Big fuckin deal?
I don't think you could find a better textbook example of a "wannabe" than Danny Provenzano. Decent score with the Genco name though.
johnny_scootch wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 3:32 am
Wiseguy wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 9:40 pm The rule is no outsiders at a family initiation. Only members of the family involved can attend.
Wiseguy is this a legit confirmed rule because I've never heard it or read it? While its obviously not common place to have a member from another family present I didn't know it was strictly prohibited.
According to Capeci it's a longstanding rule.
Outsiders, and by that I mean members of other Families, can be invited. Have no clue why Capeci would claim It's a longstanding rule against it.
Other then Bonanno's and Natale's claims, which are obviously lies, what other ceremonies are we aware of where outsiders attended?
None off the top of my head. But we don't have enough info on all the making ceremonies .That doesn't change the fact though that outsiders CAN be invited. Where did Capeci claim there is a longstanding rule against this?

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by joeycigars » Sun May 14, 2017 7:46 pm

They had a commission meeting at the making ceremony :lol:

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Sol » Sun May 14, 2017 7:02 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 4:07 pm They are talking about Bill Bonanno.


Pogo
Oh, when he said Bonannos I automatically thought it was Joe. Yea if that's what Bill said I don't believe it one bit.......Soliai

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Wiseguy » Sun May 14, 2017 6:02 pm

Soliai wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 3:25 pmBut Bonanno was made before (or around the same time) Valachi, so why would you think he's was lying?......Soliai
Because his claim that the other 4 NY family bosses, as well as bosses from 4 other families as far away as Milwaukee, were present at his ceremony is as unbelievably ludicrous as Natale's claim.
Pogo The Clown wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 4:07 pm They are talking about Bill Bonanno.


Pogo
Yeah, Bill. Not Joe.

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Pogo The Clown » Sun May 14, 2017 4:07 pm

They are talking about Bill Bonanno.


Pogo

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Sol » Sun May 14, 2017 3:25 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 3:08 pm
Soliai wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 1:16 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 12:51 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:14 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:39 am
Rocco wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 5:52 pm Why is that Provenzano guy in Gangland news? Hes not in the mob nor was he ever associated with LCN? He had a great uncle? Big fuckin deal?
I don't think you could find a better textbook example of a "wannabe" than Danny Provenzano. Decent score with the Genco name though.
johnny_scootch wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 3:32 am
Wiseguy wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 9:40 pm The rule is no outsiders at a family initiation. Only members of the family involved can attend.
Wiseguy is this a legit confirmed rule because I've never heard it or read it? While its obviously not common place to have a member from another family present I didn't know it was strictly prohibited.
According to Capeci it's a longstanding rule.
Outsiders, and by that I mean members of other Families, can be invited. Have no clue why Capeci would claim It's a longstanding rule against it.
Other then Bonanno's and Natale's claims, which are obviously lies, what other ceremonies are we aware of where outsiders attended?
The only other one I can think of is Valachi.......Soliai
With things not being so firmly established in the earlier years, perhaps it happened then. But I can't think of any known credible examples for at least the last 50 years.
But Bonanno was made before (or around the same time) Valachi, so why would you think he's was lying?......Soliai

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Wiseguy » Sun May 14, 2017 3:08 pm

Soliai wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 1:16 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 12:51 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:14 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:39 am
Rocco wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 5:52 pm Why is that Provenzano guy in Gangland news? Hes not in the mob nor was he ever associated with LCN? He had a great uncle? Big fuckin deal?
I don't think you could find a better textbook example of a "wannabe" than Danny Provenzano. Decent score with the Genco name though.
johnny_scootch wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 3:32 am
Wiseguy wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 9:40 pm The rule is no outsiders at a family initiation. Only members of the family involved can attend.
Wiseguy is this a legit confirmed rule because I've never heard it or read it? While its obviously not common place to have a member from another family present I didn't know it was strictly prohibited.
According to Capeci it's a longstanding rule.
Outsiders, and by that I mean members of other Families, can be invited. Have no clue why Capeci would claim It's a longstanding rule against it.
Other then Bonanno's and Natale's claims, which are obviously lies, what other ceremonies are we aware of where outsiders attended?
The only other one I can think of is Valachi.......Soliai
With things not being so firmly established in the earlier years, perhaps it happened then. But I can't think of any known credible examples for at least the last 50 years.

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Sol » Sun May 14, 2017 1:16 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 12:51 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:14 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:39 am
Rocco wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 5:52 pm Why is that Provenzano guy in Gangland news? Hes not in the mob nor was he ever associated with LCN? He had a great uncle? Big fuckin deal?
I don't think you could find a better textbook example of a "wannabe" than Danny Provenzano. Decent score with the Genco name though.
johnny_scootch wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 3:32 am
Wiseguy wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 9:40 pm The rule is no outsiders at a family initiation. Only members of the family involved can attend.
Wiseguy is this a legit confirmed rule because I've never heard it or read it? While its obviously not common place to have a member from another family present I didn't know it was strictly prohibited.
According to Capeci it's a longstanding rule.
Outsiders, and by that I mean members of other Families, can be invited. Have no clue why Capeci would claim It's a longstanding rule against it.
Other then Bonanno's and Natale's claims, which are obviously lies, what other ceremonies are we aware of where outsiders attended?
The only other one I can think of is Valachi.......Soliai

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Wiseguy » Sun May 14, 2017 12:51 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:14 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:39 am
Rocco wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 5:52 pm Why is that Provenzano guy in Gangland news? Hes not in the mob nor was he ever associated with LCN? He had a great uncle? Big fuckin deal?
I don't think you could find a better textbook example of a "wannabe" than Danny Provenzano. Decent score with the Genco name though.
johnny_scootch wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 3:32 am
Wiseguy wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 9:40 pm The rule is no outsiders at a family initiation. Only members of the family involved can attend.
Wiseguy is this a legit confirmed rule because I've never heard it or read it? While its obviously not common place to have a member from another family present I didn't know it was strictly prohibited.
According to Capeci it's a longstanding rule.
Outsiders, and by that I mean members of other Families, can be invited. Have no clue why Capeci would claim It's a longstanding rule against it.
Other then Bonanno's and Natale's claims, which are obviously lies, what other ceremonies are we aware of where outsiders attended?

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by joeycigars » Sun May 14, 2017 10:28 am

Fughedaboutit wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 4:57 am
joeycigars wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 7:42 pm
Fughedaboutit wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 4:16 pm wait has skinny EVER taken a plea?
Not that I know of , But this seems like good time to start, He facing a lot of time
the case is weak and he has one of the best lawyers in the country

he has the feds on the ropes and he knows it and he loves it

he isnt about to take another 5 years of supervised release just to get busted meeting with mob guys and go back to jail
I dont see 5 years of S.R. anywhere for Merlino , 2 year sentence thats a sweet deal for a guy facing upwards of 20 years .
Sources say that Parrello is considering a deal that will carry a sentence of about five years. Sources say O'Nofrio has declined to even consider a plea offer. Sources say Merlino rejected a deal that would carry a two-year sentence.

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by Fughedaboutit » Sun May 14, 2017 4:57 am

joeycigars wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 7:42 pm
Fughedaboutit wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 4:16 pm wait has skinny EVER taken a plea?
Not that I know of , But this seems like good time to start, He facing a lot of time
the case is weak and he has one of the best lawyers in the country

he has the feds on the ropes and he knows it and he loves it

he isnt about to take another 5 years of supervised release just to get busted meeting with mob guys and go back to jail

Re: Gangland news 11th may 2017

by HairyKnuckles » Sat May 13, 2017 11:14 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:39 am
Rocco wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 5:52 pm Why is that Provenzano guy in Gangland news? Hes not in the mob nor was he ever associated with LCN? He had a great uncle? Big fuckin deal?
I don't think you could find a better textbook example of a "wannabe" than Danny Provenzano. Decent score with the Genco name though.
johnny_scootch wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 3:32 am
Wiseguy wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 9:40 pm The rule is no outsiders at a family initiation. Only members of the family involved can attend.
Wiseguy is this a legit confirmed rule because I've never heard it or read it? While its obviously not common place to have a member from another family present I didn't know it was strictly prohibited.
According to Capeci it's a longstanding rule.
Outsiders, and by that I mean members of other Families, can be invited. Have no clue why Capeci would claim It's a longstanding rule against it.

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