THE BLACK HAND FORUM

- He says after Luciano was sent to Italy, Luciano sent word to the US that he wanted to "change a rule". He did not want to recognize mafia members in Italy and does not want them to be recognized in the US. He says that Luciano did not want to have anything to do with the Italians there because they are troublemakers who cooperate with the police.

HairyKnuckles wrote:Sometime after arrival to Italy, Luciano actually settled in Rome. It's possible Luciano thoght that city had more buisness oppertunities for him than Palermo could offer. In Palermo the Mafia had most of the rackets tide up already and they weren't keen on letting Luciano in or form a partnershipwith him due to his high profile. He was constantly being watched by the american occupying forces or elements within them. Rome was more of an international city so he felt more at home there. It wasn't until 1950 that he had to move to Naples after he was banned from Rome due to an narcotics investigation Linked (probably wrongfully) him to the arrest of an Italian American narcotics courier arrested in Rome.

And Billy, Luciano was not the chairman of the board in the LCN. That's a myth that neeeds to be buried once and for all.

Lupara wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 1:21 pm Until one of our researchers corrects me I think Luciano chose Naples because he wanted to be independent and not attach himself to one of the Sicilian clans, who had a monopoly on the island. It looks like the Camorra in Naples in the 1940s wasn't as organized as their Sicilian counterparts and so offered Luciano more opporunities to do business. In Sicily he may have been forced to work with the clans and not be a boss of his own like he was used to.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 1:06 pm Gaetano Badalamenti had this man murdered and sent word back to America that they had avenged the insult.

SonnyBlackstein wrote:

Lupara wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 12:41 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote:

Lupara wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 11:42 amRemember at some point he was even slapped by soneone.

He was?
Where did this happen, by whom?
I'm not questioning it happened but I've never heard this before.

Cheers.

I thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps just another myth?

Where are the forum experts when we need them?

Anyway, I'm sure he would be received with respect on the island, but I also believe Joe B. that he lacked connections. I never read that he was affiliated with any particular family over there. So how could he go there and assume leadership of one of the clans or carve out his own territory? I don't think the Sicilian clans were subservient to their American cousins.

I'm not at all suggesting he would assume a leadership position of an existing clan.
But he would be treated with all accord due someone of his equivalence and I logically assume be allowed to conduct business if he had the means as long as it respected existing protocol (territorial respect/tribute etc).

His situation is quite uncommon ( a boss from another country assuming residence) so its hard to draw comparison or take a precedent.
But what we do know is status is universal so we know he wouldve been afforded the respect due his position. Whether he conducted business, how he did so etc etc are all quite complicated, speculative issues.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 12:18 pm

Lupara wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 11:42 amRemember at some point he was even slapped by soneone.

He was?
Where did this happen, by whom?
I'm not questioning it happened but I've never heard this before.

Cheers.

Lupara wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 12:41 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote:

Lupara wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 11:42 amRemember at some point he was even slapped by soneone.

He was?
Where did this happen, by whom?
I'm not questioning it happened but I've never heard this before.

Cheers.

I thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps just another myth?

Where are the forum experts when we need them?

Anyway, I'm sure he would be received with respect on the island, but I also believe Joe B. that he lacked connections. I never read that he was affiliated with any particular family over there. So how could he go there and assume leadership of one of the clans or carve out his own territory? I don't think the Sicilian clans were subservient to their American cousins.

SonnyBlackstein wrote:

Lupara wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 11:42 amRemember at some point he was even slapped by soneone.

He was?
Where did this happen, by whom?
I'm not questioning it happened but I've never heard this before.

Cheers.

Lupara wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 11:42 amRemember at some point he was even slapped by soneone.

SonnyBlackstein wrote:As head of a family Luciano even in Sicily wouldn't be just one of the guys. He would've been afforded a similar status to that which he held in NY.

Camo wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 8:09 am Wasn't he chairman of the commission at one point? Who was it if it wasn't him then out of interest?

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 7:48 am And Billy, Luciano was not the chairman of the board in the LCN. That's a myth that neeeds to be buried once and for all.