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Re: Fast Risers

by HairyKnuckles » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:16 am

Both Philly Lucky and Gerry Lang were made in 1976. Not in the 1950s.

Re: Fast Risers

by rayray » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:36 pm

B. wrote:
HairyKnuckles wrote:Philip "Philly Lucky" Giaccone also had a pretty fast rise. Two years after being made in 1976, Giaccone was part of a ruling panel, installed after Galante was sent to prison for parole violations.

Another one would be Gerry Lang with the Colombos. He was made in 1976 and by 1981, he was the acting boss.
This is JD's info not mine, but Phil Giaccone was made during the 1950's.

I also thought Jerry Lang was made in the 50's too? (edit: I read that Lang could have been made in the very late 50's but then was officially made in 1976) Maybe the 50's making is BS?

Re: Fast Risers

by B. » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:01 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote:Philip "Philly Lucky" Giaccone also had a pretty fast rise. Two years after being made in 1976, Giaccone was part of a ruling panel, installed after Galante was sent to prison for parole violations.

Another one would be Gerry Lang with the Colombos. He was made in 1976 and by 1981, he was the acting boss.
This is JD's info not mine, but Phil Giaccone was made during the 1950's.

Re: Fast Risers

by Rocco » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:50 pm

Chris Christie wrote:
Mukremin wrote:
The Greek wrote:Wasn't John Gotti basically the Acting captain of the Fatico crew before he was even made?
How is that even possible?
Fatico headed a crew of associates, when he went to prison it was to associate Gotti as the first among equals. He administered the crew, reported to Dellacroce. Very rare case of being in the right place at the right time and having the right abilities... Also a year after he was formally made, he was official Capo, but Dellacroce was pushing for it ever since Gotti was made but Castellano allegedly thought it was too soon... Joe Sodano in NJ headed a crew of associates, separate from the NJ crew headed by Licata-Caprio. Being a capo, doesn't always mean one has a large crew under him. Some guys like Mike Polizzi were capo but had no crew under them, just had the rank and was direct with the Admin.

Interestingly, in the Castellano faction, when DeMeo got made, he was told by Nino Gaggi that Neapolitans don't rise above Soldier.
You mean Frank Polizzi from then Decavs?

Re: Fast Risers

by Rocco » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:47 pm

Chris Christie wrote:Dominick Cicale went from associate to soldier to capo within a few years.
Wasn't Montagna made in 2004? If that's correct he became boss in a short while as well.

Joe Ligambi. Solder-Boss (but spent a decade in prison, but was Boss or acting within a few years after being released.)
Come to think of it. Alot of members got promoted after the Massino then basciano indictments. Feds took so many guys off the streets they had to fill the voids. So maybe LE is a big reason why you see so many guys rise rather quickly.

Re: Fast Risers

by Angelo Santino » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:03 pm

It appears I was mistaken about the Fatico crew having no made guys under him. JD and Pogo know their stuff.

Re: Fast Risers

by Bruno187 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:35 pm

Bruno187 wrote:I remember reading somewhere that since Gotti was in prison for the McBratney thing when the books were finally opened, once he got out they made him an acting capo until he could get made. I wonder if this is more a "cult of personality" story made up to mythologize Gotti, or it was actually the case.





Doesn't anybody read prior posts here anymore?

Re: Fast Risers

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:01 pm

Was the Fatico Crew all Associates? Maybe by the 70s but didn't they have made members in earlier? I believe Daniel Fatico (Carmine's) was in that Crew and he was a made member.


Pogo

Re: Fast Risers

by Angelo Santino » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:35 pm

Mukremin wrote:
The Greek wrote:Wasn't John Gotti basically the Acting captain of the Fatico crew before he was even made?
How is that even possible?
Fatico headed a crew of associates, when he went to prison it was to associate Gotti as the first among equals. He administered the crew, reported to Dellacroce. Very rare case of being in the right place at the right time and having the right abilities... Also a year after he was formally made, he was official Capo, but Dellacroce was pushing for it ever since Gotti was made but Castellano allegedly thought it was too soon... Joe Sodano in NJ headed a crew of associates, separate from the NJ crew headed by Licata-Caprio. Being a capo, doesn't always mean one has a large crew under him. Some guys like Mike Polizzi were capo but had no crew under them, just had the rank and was direct with the Admin.

Interestingly, in the Castellano faction, when DeMeo got made, he was told by Nino Gaggi that Neapolitans don't rise above Soldier.

Re: Fast Risers

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:28 pm

Gotti was unofficially the Acting Capo. The made members in that crew were old and not very active so Gotti was handling the running of it.


Pogo

Re: Fast Risers

by Mukremin » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:49 pm

The Greek wrote:Wasn't John Gotti basically the Acting captain of the Fatico crew before he was even made?
How is that even possible?

Re: Fast Risers

by The Greek » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:44 pm

Wasn't John Gotti basically the Acting captain of the Fatico crew before he was even made?

Re: Fast Risers

by HairyKnuckles » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:40 am

Philip "Philly Lucky" Giaccone also had a pretty fast rise. Two years after being made in 1976, Giaccone was part of a ruling panel, installed after Galante was sent to prison for parole violations.

Another one would be Gerry Lang with the Colombos. He was made in 1976 and by 1981, he was the acting boss.

Re: Fast Risers

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:45 am

More Philly


Angelo Bruno - From Associate to Boss in 4 years.
Ronnie Turchi Sr. - From Associate to Consiglieri in less than 3 years.
Vincent "Al Pajamas" Pagano - From Associate to Capo in weeks.
Robert "Bobby" Luisi Jr. - From Associate to Capo in Weeks/months.


Pogo

Re: Fast Risers

by Angelo Santino » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:14 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:Alphone "Allie Boy" Persico - Associate to Consiglieri in a year.
Adrew "Andy" Russo - Associate to Capo in 1 year.


More for Philly.

Joseph "Joey Chang" Ciancaglini Jr. - Associate to UnderBoss in weeks.
Chuckie Merlino - Associate to Undeboss in 11 months.
Frank Martines - Associate to Acting UnderBoss in weeks.
Larry Merlino - Associate to Capo in 1 year
Phil Leonetti - Associate to Capo in 1 year
Salvy Testa - Associate to Capo in 1 1/2 years
Steve Mazzone - Associate to Consiglieri in 1 1/2 years.
George Borgesi - Associate to Capo in 1 1/2 years.
Luigi "Gino" Tripodi - Associate to Capo in in less than a year.
Anthony Staino - Associate to Capo/maybe Acting UnderBoss in a year or less.


So if you want to rise up fast join the Philly family. :mrgreen:


Pogo
Yeah it does seem likely if you're a soldier and you make capo, chances are you won't be a boss since they seem to only promote from the bottom.

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