by Angelo Santino » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:17 am
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Antiliar wrote:OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Wow, I thank you for all the information you just provided and even some if the clarifications. Just for conversations sake, I didn't think that the Corleonesi formed a bunch of families so to speak, I just figured the split was the reasoning for some of the families existence, mainly the Genovese. Because if it wasn't for Morello & Masseria they still would've been a part of the D'Aquila group, and whose to say the Luchese's would've even been among the families today. It's an interesting scenario to think about, but it's also a complete fantasy. I had no idea Masseria being boss was a result of Morello not being allowed to be boss again, not even of his own family. Its almost like an early version of the Merlino-Natale situation, except both men were presumed already made, unlike the previously mentioned. It also explains why according to most accounts, after the death of Morello, Masseria's chances of winning the war and lasting as boss of his family and boss of bosses, became slim. And as a result he was killed. From Bonanno's account he paints Morello as the real planner, the one who really knew whom to hit and advised Masseria, so with that along with everything you just said, seems like Morello was both the brains & braun behind Joe Masseria.
And how did Masseria manage to stay alive and be placed as boss by Morello if he was ordered to die, along with Vincenzo Terranova? And why would Morello agree to the murder of his brother (half-brothers, technically), and why would Ciro fall in line after this?
Just to clarify further I'll address the highlights
- Morello & Masseria were never part of the D'Aquila group, so there must be some confusion. D'Aquila was the boss of the Gambino Family (what we now call the Gambino Family) and the Boss of Bosses. So D'Aquila had his own borgata and Morello had his own borgata.
- Masseria managed to stay alive by avoiding being killed and killing Valenti. It's believed that Lucky Luciano was the triggerman who killed Valenti.
- I think that Vincenzo Terranova was actually the boss (briefly) before Masseria. With Terranova dead, Morello chose Masseria.
- Morello never agreed to the murders of his brothers. Nick was killed while Morello was still in prison, and D'Aquila ordered Vincenzo's death, probably with Valenti as one of the shooters. Joe Biondo may have been part of the hit team. Ciro never had to "fall in line" because he was always with Morello.
If you want more details I suggest you read our article:
http://informer-journal.blogspot.com/p/ ... y-may.html
Not the D'Aquila group, that was my mistake, but the overall Corleonesi group Morello was apart of in East Harlem. Didn't Morello account for only one of the Corleonesi groups, the second being D'Aquila? If so, then were exactly does a "split" come in, sorry if this is getting or seems repetitive, but I just have a genuine interest in knowledge on relation to the early 19th century "Mafia in America" period. And I'll pay for that informers article as soon as I can.
And yeah according to Mike Dash' book, Nick Terranova was the boss of Morello's group while he was still in prison, and Nicks death was in result with a beef with the LoMonte's. Was that in connection with everything we've been speaking on, was that a precursor act to the Castellamarese War?
Morello headed up the Corleonese Group, this group split into the modern Genovese and Lucchese Families in the 1920's. Two Families from One.
Lupo headed up the Palermitan Group. In 1912 a second Palermitan Family was sanctioned to form headed up by Mineo.
Nick Terranova was a boss (group leader/capo?) in Harlem but never over the entire Family. And with respect to Dash's hard work, I looked at the same sources that he used to write the book, and I don't understand how he came to the conclusion that there was some beef between Terranova and the LoMontes, I actually seen quite the opposite. LoMonte's murder decreased their stature in the Family when the power shifted to Elizabeth Street in 1915.
[quote="OlBlueEyesClub"][quote="Antiliar"][quote="OlBlueEyesClub"]Wow, I thank you for all the information you just provided and even some if the clarifications. Just for conversations sake, I didn't think that the Corleonesi formed a bunch of families so to speak, I just figured the split was the reasoning for [i]some[/i] of the families existence, mainly the Genovese. Because if it wasn't for Morello & Masseria they still would've been a part of the D'Aquila group, and whose to say the Luchese's would've even been among the families today. It's an interesting scenario to think about, but it's also a complete fantasy. I had no idea Masseria being boss was a result of Morello not being allowed to be boss again, not even of his own family. Its almost like an early version of the Merlino-Natale situation, except both men were presumed already made, unlike the previously mentioned. It also explains why according to most accounts, after the death of Morello, Masseria's chances of winning the war and lasting as boss of his family and boss of bosses, became slim. And as a result he was killed. From Bonanno's account he paints Morello as the real planner, the one who really knew whom to hit and advised Masseria, so with that along with everything you just said, seems like Morello was both the brains & braun behind Joe Masseria.
And how did Masseria manage to stay alive and be placed as boss by Morello if he was ordered to die, along with Vincenzo Terranova? And why would Morello agree to the murder of his brother (half-brothers, technically), and why would Ciro fall in line after this?[/quote]
Just to clarify further I'll address the highlights
- Morello & Masseria were never part of the D'Aquila group, so there must be some confusion. D'Aquila was the boss of the Gambino Family (what we now call the Gambino Family) and the Boss of Bosses. So D'Aquila had his own borgata and Morello had his own borgata.
- Masseria managed to stay alive by avoiding being killed and killing Valenti. It's believed that Lucky Luciano was the triggerman who killed Valenti.
- I think that Vincenzo Terranova was actually the boss (briefly) before Masseria. With Terranova dead, Morello chose Masseria.
- Morello never agreed to the murders of his brothers. Nick was killed while Morello was still in prison, and D'Aquila ordered Vincenzo's death, probably with Valenti as one of the shooters. Joe Biondo may have been part of the hit team. Ciro never had to "fall in line" because he was always with Morello.
If you want more details I suggest you read our article: http://informer-journal.blogspot.com/p/new-york-mafia-alternative-theory-may.html[/quote]
Not the D'Aquila group, that was my mistake, but the overall Corleonesi group Morello was apart of in East Harlem. Didn't Morello account for only one of the Corleonesi groups, the second being D'Aquila? If so, then were exactly does a "split" come in, sorry if this is getting or seems repetitive, but I just have a genuine interest in knowledge on relation to the early 19th century "Mafia in America" period. And I'll pay for that informers article as soon as I can.
And yeah according to Mike Dash' book, Nick Terranova was the boss of Morello's group while he was still in prison, and Nicks death was in result with a beef with the LoMonte's. Was that in connection with everything we've been speaking on, was that a precursor act to the Castellamarese War?[/quote]
Morello headed up the Corleonese Group, this group split into the modern Genovese and Lucchese Families in the 1920's. Two Families from One.
Lupo headed up the Palermitan Group. In 1912 a second Palermitan Family was sanctioned to form headed up by Mineo.
Nick Terranova was a boss (group leader/capo?) in Harlem but never over the entire Family. And with respect to Dash's hard work, I looked at the same sources that he used to write the book, and I don't understand how he came to the conclusion that there was some beef between Terranova and the LoMontes, I actually seen quite the opposite. LoMonte's murder decreased their stature in the Family when the power shifted to Elizabeth Street in 1915.