THE BLACK HAND FORUM

AlexfromSouth wrote:

johnny_scootch wrote:South Brooklyn is an "obsolete and imprecise" historic term for a section of the former City of Brooklyn.

Yes, but its a term used for the area od Red Hook, Gowanus, Carroll Gardens, Park Slope, South Slope, Coble hill and other close n'hoods. As you know.

johnny_scootch wrote:South Brooklyn is an "obsolete and imprecise" historic term for a section of the former City of Brooklyn.

AlexfromSouth wrote:

Chris Christie wrote:

AlexfromSouth wrote:Its very well noted and known, that certain street gangs had exlusive ties and relationship with the mob. For example Gravano and the Rampers, Casso and the SB Devils of 4th ave and Union st, Frank Lino and the famous Ave u boys. In the 40s, 50s in the era of greaser gangs Brooklyn as other neighbourhoods in the city were filed with teenage gangs. Italian, Irish, black and Puerto rican for the most part. Black, Puerto Rican, Italian in the East harlem and Bronx, Puerto rican in the Lower east side and than Brooklyn. It is sad that Brooklyn had the most street gang in the era, and being that they were in the same neighbourhood as the mafia its obvious of their connection. From East NY, Brooklyn to the docks. From Williambourgh to Bensonhurst. Lot of these guys grew up watching the wyseguys on the corner or in social clubs.

Ive disscused this with a gentelman from NY who runs a website about these 50s gangs. He did not know a lot about ties with the mafia but was quick to tell me that the most famous Italian gang was the South Brooklyns 'South Brooklyn Boys'. The same gang Anthony Casso was a part of. Overall the Irish and Italian gangs from the Brooklyn docks were one of the strongest and toughest. There are numerous books and movies about the subject. 'Rumble on the docks', etc. Another mafia leader that spent time in the South Brooklyn Boys was carmine Persico, as well as scappy Scarpatti of the Colombos (The Garfield Boys). So this is a well know connection about these two thing. Not to mention That John Gotti, Angelo Ruggiero and Skiny Dom Pizzo were in the Rockaway and Fulton gang. There were of course the Irish gangs too like ' the Jockers', the Red hook rippers and the Tigers. Also Daniel Marino of the Gambino was a member of the Dahill rd Gremlins. Does anybody know the turfs, layouts and teritorry were all these gangs were in South Brooklyn? These guys from South BK were known to come together when battling the Blacks, the puerto ricans, etc.

Chris Christie and myself were talking about various Italian n'hoods in the South Brooklyn and how it was 'divided' betwen various Italian (Sicilian, Neapolit, calabrian) people.

I invite everybody who is Interested in the subject to disscus with us. Welcome.

Thank you.

I believe you may have misunderstood what I was saying or took something entirely different away from it. "Divide" implies that "various Italians" sat across from each other and decided one group gets this area and another group gets that area. That is 100% false. Italian neighborhoods were not planned and were in fact a result of chain migration. The neighborhoods were shared (people from different Italo-backgrounds occupying the same streets and areas.) There might have been more of one group on a certain are but there were certainly other Italians living and operating there. When I said Italians I was referring to the general population not limited to criminals. And by the 1920's this "hometown" loyalty was on the decline. Italians and their criminal element were for the most part pragmatists when it came to mingling/working with others with the same goal (including non-Itals). There's a scene from the 1991 movie Mobsters where 'Don Faranzano' declares to Lucky Luciano that he doesn't talk business with Jews. In reality, anyone who conducted themselves that way would have severely limited their money making opportunities. That was simply not the attitude that the generic Italian gangster or mafioso carried in that era.

To jump ahead to the modern gangs of the 40's and 50's such as the Rampers or the more recent Tanglewood Boys, I know next to nothing.

Of course Christie I understan completly, don't have a prob with anything you said. May have wrote it wrong being that english is not my first lango. Please understand, I never meant to misquoate you.

As for the rampers, being that you spent time in Bhurst, and as I can see know about these thing much, do you have some 50s info about them? Other than what gravano said in his book

Pogo The Clown wrote:

Chris Christie wrote:There's a scene from the 1991 movie Mobsters where 'Don Faranzano' declares to Lucky Luciano that he doesn't talk business with Jews.

You talk business with me if Meyer works for me that's not your concern.


Pogo

Chris Christie wrote:

AlexfromSouth wrote:Its very well noted and known, that certain street gangs had exlusive ties and relationship with the mob. For example Gravano and the Rampers, Casso and the SB Devils of 4th ave and Union st, Frank Lino and the famous Ave u boys. In the 40s, 50s in the era of greaser gangs Brooklyn as other neighbourhoods in the city were filed with teenage gangs. Italian, Irish, black and Puerto rican for the most part. Black, Puerto Rican, Italian in the East harlem and Bronx, Puerto rican in the Lower east side and than Brooklyn. It is sad that Brooklyn had the most street gang in the era, and being that they were in the same neighbourhood as the mafia its obvious of their connection. From East NY, Brooklyn to the docks. From Williambourgh to Bensonhurst. Lot of these guys grew up watching the wyseguys on the corner or in social clubs.

Ive disscused this with a gentelman from NY who runs a website about these 50s gangs. He did not know a lot about ties with the mafia but was quick to tell me that the most famous Italian gang was the South Brooklyns 'South Brooklyn Boys'. The same gang Anthony Casso was a part of. Overall the Irish and Italian gangs from the Brooklyn docks were one of the strongest and toughest. There are numerous books and movies about the subject. 'Rumble on the docks', etc. Another mafia leader that spent time in the South Brooklyn Boys was carmine Persico, as well as scappy Scarpatti of the Colombos (The Garfield Boys). So this is a well know connection about these two thing. Not to mention That John Gotti, Angelo Ruggiero and Skiny Dom Pizzo were in the Rockaway and Fulton gang. There were of course the Irish gangs too like ' the Jockers', the Red hook rippers and the Tigers. Also Daniel Marino of the Gambino was a member of the Dahill rd Gremlins. Does anybody know the turfs, layouts and teritorry were all these gangs were in South Brooklyn? These guys from South BK were known to come together when battling the Blacks, the puerto ricans, etc.

Chris Christie and myself were talking about various Italian n'hoods in the South Brooklyn and how it was 'divided' betwen various Italian (Sicilian, Neapolit, calabrian) people.

I invite everybody who is Interested in the subject to disscus with us. Welcome.

Thank you.

I believe you may have misunderstood what I was saying or took something entirely different away from it. "Divide" implies that "various Italians" sat across from each other and decided one group gets this area and another group gets that area. That is 100% false. Italian neighborhoods were not planned and were in fact a result of chain migration. The neighborhoods were shared (people from different Italo-backgrounds occupying the same streets and areas.) There might have been more of one group on a certain are but there were certainly other Italians living and operating there. When I said Italians I was referring to the general population not limited to criminals. And by the 1920's this "hometown" loyalty was on the decline. Italians and their criminal element were for the most part pragmatists when it came to mingling/working with others with the same goal (including non-Itals). There's a scene from the 1991 movie Mobsters where 'Don Faranzano' declares to Lucky Luciano that he doesn't talk business with Jews. In reality, anyone who conducted themselves that way would have severely limited their money making opportunities. That was simply not the attitude that the generic Italian gangster or mafioso carried in that era.

To jump ahead to the modern gangs of the 40's and 50's such as the Rampers or the more recent Tanglewood Boys, I know next to nothing.

Chris Christie wrote:There's a scene from the 1991 movie Mobsters where 'Don Faranzano' declares to Lucky Luciano that he doesn't talk business with Jews.

AlexfromSouth wrote:Its very well noted and known, that certain street gangs had exlusive ties and relationship with the mob. For example Gravano and the Rampers, Casso and the SB Devils of 4th ave and Union st, Frank Lino and the famous Ave u boys. In the 40s, 50s in the era of greaser gangs Brooklyn as other neighbourhoods in the city were filed with teenage gangs. Italian, Irish, black and Puerto rican for the most part. Black, Puerto Rican, Italian in the East harlem and Bronx, Puerto rican in the Lower east side and than Brooklyn. It is sad that Brooklyn had the most street gang in the era, and being that they were in the same neighbourhood as the mafia its obvious of their connection. From East NY, Brooklyn to the docks. From Williambourgh to Bensonhurst. Lot of these guys grew up watching the wyseguys on the corner or in social clubs.

Ive disscused this with a gentelman from NY who runs a website about these 50s gangs. He did not know a lot about ties with the mafia but was quick to tell me that the most famous Italian gang was the South Brooklyns 'South Brooklyn Boys'. The same gang Anthony Casso was a part of. Overall the Irish and Italian gangs from the Brooklyn docks were one of the strongest and toughest. There are numerous books and movies about the subject. 'Rumble on the docks', etc. Another mafia leader that spent time in the South Brooklyn Boys was carmine Persico, as well as scappy Scarpatti of the Colombos (The Garfield Boys). So this is a well know connection about these two thing. Not to mention That John Gotti, Angelo Ruggiero and Skiny Dom Pizzo were in the Rockaway and Fulton gang. There were of course the Irish gangs too like ' the Jockers', the Red hook rippers and the Tigers. Also Daniel Marino of the Gambino was a member of the Dahill rd Gremlins. Does anybody know the turfs, layouts and teritorry were all these gangs were in South Brooklyn? These guys from South BK were known to come together when battling the Blacks, the puerto ricans, etc.

Chris Christie and myself were talking about various Italian n'hoods in the South Brooklyn and how it was 'divided' betwen various Italian (Sicilian, Neapolit, calabrian) people.

I invite everybody who is Interested in the subject to disscus with us. Welcome.

Thank you.