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Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by Moscone65 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:04 am

antimafia wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:17 pm
faffy444 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:15 pm ill be honest I thought the info about Apulian ancestry came from dubro's book. perhaps I'm wrong about that. maybe I read about Apulia elsewhere.
No worries. If you ever come across the source again, please share. Thanks.
Ya Paul volpe was foggiese

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by B. » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:10 am

Good info. Not sure what it says about Luppino's membership, or if him being a Bonanno is even a viable theory beyond Magaddino's vague comments as I'm sure there is plenty more info out there about Luppino's ties to Magaddino operations in Ontario. I've been skimming "Mob Rule" again and should fully re-read it. If I do, I will post any interpretations I have of what's in there.

What's most interesting about that is Magaddino believing Cotroni should have informed him about the meeting. Could have just been Magaddino's typical ego firing off. Most info points to Cotroni being a passive but consistent Bonanno loyalist well into the war. He was represented in NY at one meeting by Bonanno's brother-in-law Frank LaBruzzo, a captain and Bonanno's choice as successor for boss.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by NickleCity » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:14 pm

Lupara wrote: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:14 am I think two of those Bonanno members based in Ontario possibly inducted during the Bonanno era are Giacinto Arcuri and Leonardo Cammalleri.

Interesting take of Luppino with the Bonannos.
Does anyone have access to the 1967 police recordings of Giacomo Luppino in his tomato garden talking about Magaddino?

Peter Edwards, in his book Business or Blood summarizes one of the conversations as it relates to Bonanno and Magaddino fighting for control of Montreal. It seems Luppino speaks about meeting Magaddino (who Edwards states was his boss) at a wedding hearing him rage over a perceived slight by Controni.
Magaddino’s anger peaked as he told Luppino about a November 1966 meeting in Montreal between Bonanno’s son Salvatore (Bill) and Cotroni. Cotroni didn’t bother to tell Magaddino before attending the meeting, which also included half a dozen men from the New York Mafia. Magaddino heard that Bill Bonanno told Cotroni at the meeting that Montreal belonged to his father, Joe Bonanno. Vic the Egg’s response? He just sheepishly listened to Bonanno’s arrogance. It was bad enough that Bonanno would say something so stupid, but for Cotroni to say nothing in Magaddino’s defence was unacceptable

Edwards, Peter. Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War (Kindle Locations 551-556). Random House of Canada. Kindle Edition..
Magaddino then wanted Luppino to go take control of Montreal for him, but Luppino refused saying: “Stefano Magaddino is the biggest man in the world, but not even he can lead me by the arm and tell me what to do."(Kindle Locations 564-565)

How do you think this plays into the notion of the Luppino being made with Bonanno instead of Magaddino? Is that how he could refuse Magaddino? I'm not sure I buy into this idea yet, but I'm open to it.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by CabriniGreen » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:25 am

a question...


With the Defillipos being familiar with Canada, why do you think Vitale was so in the dark?

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by Lupara » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:14 am

I think two of those Bonanno members based in Ontario possibly inducted during the Bonanno era are Giacinto Arcuri and Leonardo Cammalleri.

Interesting take of Luppino with the Bonannos.


Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by B. » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:40 am

Recently antimafia posted this excerpt about Paul Volpe:

That Volpe ever managed to become an initiated member of southern Ontario's Italian Mafia is a feat in itself. He spoke no Italian and had no family members in the organization, but, through selective socializing, managed to gain the confidence of various mafiosi including Hamilton's Luppino crime family, Volpe's sponsors at his Mafia swearing-in ceremony in 1961.

Volpe is another who seems to be well-accepted as a Buffalo member, but with the Magaddino transcripts in mind re:Luppino, it makes that excerpt potentially confusing. If Luppino was a Bonanno, it would mean he was sitting in on a Buffalo ceremony... or that Volpe was a Bonanno. It's interesting that Volpe was incredibly close to Vito DeFilippo and they associated both in Canada and Haiti. DeFilippo was a representative of the Bonannos in Canada for a time after Carmine Galante's incarceration, so if Luppino was originally with the Bonannos, both of Volpe's mentors would have been with that family.

I personally have a hard time believing Volpe was with the Bonannos and honestly I'm not saying Luppino is either -- I'm just exploring the theory based on the vague Magaddino comments -- but we still don't know who the 7 Ontario-based members were that Bonanno inducted without consulting Magaddino. Or who the two Montreal-based members Bonanno inducted in connection with this were, either, though we can assume Paolo Violi was one of the nine total controversial inductees (whether he was considered Ontario- or Montreal-based at the time is the question).

I will say, though, that there have been far bigger revelations about the mafia than some guys in an area with zero member sources turning out to be with a different group than previously thought/assumed.

Complete side note, but Patty DeFilippo seems to be mentioned in the Magaddino transcripts briefly and his story still has some question marks as well. The FBI had him as a "suspected member" in the 1960s, but he would have been around 18 when the books closed in NYC. Plus his father Vito was among the last rounds of inductees, having been inducted in 1957. If Patty is indeed the "tall son" of "Vito Tenelevi" mentioned on the transcripts who travels to Canada on his father's behalf, it could point to Patty having some kind of standing, though associates can of course still represent business interests and carry messages. Or maybe DeFilippo was one of the unapproved inductees Bonanno was accused of bringing in after the books were closed (an accusation mentioned by Sam DeCavalcante), which would be in addition to the 9 Canadians that Magaddino was upset about. I believe DeFilippo's membership has been confirmed by the mid-to-late 1970s but I don't believe DeFilippo's name has been mentioned in any 1970s Bonanno inductions and he only returned to NYC from the west coast when Galante was released from prison and re-gained influence, so either he was inducted by Galante or he was one of Bonanno's "secret" inductees in the 1960s.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by B. » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:07 pm

B. wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:52 pm I've been revisiting the original transcript that this topic was based on and see some things in a new light. When I have time I may give it a new breakdown.

One thing I wanted to mention now though is that the number of Bonanno members in the Montreal decina seemed to be an issue for Magaddino and may shed some light on the make-up of the Bonanno Montreal crew.

In reference to Canada, Paul Sciacca tells Magaddino that Bonanno took seven people from Magaddino's territory, then made two more in Montreal (on top of the existing members in Montreal). Magaddino indicates that he is fine with the Montreal decina having ten members, but any more than that (i.e. the 9 additional members) is unacceptable to him. In the DeCavalcante tapes, Sam mentions something about Bonanno inducting members after the books were closed, specifically in Arizona and Montreal, yet another grievance the Commission had with JB.This indicates that the Montreal decina was originally ten members and Bonanno recruited an additional seven men from Toronto or an area that was otherwise under Buffalo's control, plus made an additional two new members in Montreal

It's hard to say what is meant by JB "taking" seven people from Magaddino (i.e. it could mean they were simply allied with him in the war, though this seems to have taken place before the "war" broke out), but from the context it does seem like they're talking about members initiated into the Bonanno family in Canada. A report from the 1960s claims that the Montreal decina had ~20 members, just like it did in the late 90s/early 2000s. Since we have had such little member information from within Montreal, we have no idea who many of the ~20 members were. However, if you look at the numbers discussed by Magaddino/Sciacca, there were 10 officially sanctioned Montreal members, probably all made by the time the books closed in 1957. Then Bonanno brought in 9 more men, bringing the total crew members to 19, which matches the ~20 mentioned in other docs.

There were certainly enough recruits in Montreal proper to make up a 20 member decina, but like I said we have no idea who many of the early Montreal made members were, just a handful have been confirmed and we can speculate on a few more, but what if 7 of the 20 members circa mid-1960s were based in Toronto? The Montreal crew did have longstanding interests there and Vito DeFilippo had a strong presence in the area as well, maintaining influece over Paul Volpe and likely other Magaddino members/associates.

Remember that decades later Sal Vitale expected there to be ~10 members in Montreal and was surprised to find that there were 19 (previously 20, as Sciascia had been killed). Joe Bonanno's expansion of thecrew seems to have been unsanctioned, and maybe the Bonanno family/NYC continued to have the false impression that the Montreal crew was limited to ten, when in actuality they maintained the "illegal" ~20 number set up by Bonanno.
With the other discussion going on lately about the younger Violis possibly being Ontario-based Bonanno members, I was thinking about this reference to 7 possible Bonanno members made in Canada in Magaddino's "area".

From a different transcript (Magaddino talking with Calabrian Magaddino soldier Dominick Romeo, who is knowledgeable of Canada), Magaddino seems to make reference to Giacomo Luppino: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 0&tab=page

He is discussing Paolo Violi's father-in-law as a "caporalista" (phonetic for Camorrista, no doubt) who is "also of Bonanno". The "also" would be in addition to Violi, who we know was a Bonanno member in Canada, so the implication here would be that Luppino was a Bonanno member or otherwise affiliated with the Bonannos.

I have seen Luppino mentioned as a suspected member of the Buffalo family in old documents and I have bought into the assumption that he was a Buffalo member/associate (possibly in addition to 'ndrangheta membership), but has this ever been 100% confirmed? Member sources and confirmations are extremely scarce in Canada through all eras so I'd be curious if a US member or knowledgeable source has ever mentioned it. No doubt Luppino associated with Buffalo members, but if this vague reference does mean that Luppino was with the Bonannos (something I dismissed before), it would be less surprising that the younger Violis joined the Bonannos despite their father's murder and their group losing standing in Montreal.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 1&tab=page

Later in the discussion linked above, Magaddino is discussing the girl Paolo Violi was marrying and says "the father of this young girl was called by Bonanno and joined him in Montreal." Again vague, and could be interpreted to mean he simply met with Bonanno in Montreal, but coupled with the earlier comment (Luppino being "also of Bonanno", indicating being on record) it does point to Luppino being affiliated with the Bonanno family in some capacity. Maybe antimafia or Laurentian has some info that can either add to this or prove it's a misinterpretation but I'm curious what people think either way. We do know that the Bonanno family has a track record of successfully recruiting Calabrians in Canada despite having been one of the most overwhelmingly Sicilian families.

edit: Paolo Violi's recruitment into the Bonannos is another question and if there is even a little bit of truth to Luppino being affiliated with the Bonannos in some way, it would make more sense how Violi went with them. This transcript suggests Violi was recruited from Calabria and brought into Canada as a stowaway, then he went from Hamilton where he no doubt worked with his future father-in-law to becoming an initiated Bonanno member in Montreal. It makes this less confusing if Luppino had an existing relationship if not formal affiliation (be it as member or associate) with the Bonannos at this time.

It's also worth pointing out that we know the Montreal crew allowed transfers, which presumably means guys could transfer out as well, so even if Luppino was in some way with the Bonannos this doesn't mean he stayed with them.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by antimafia » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:29 am

antimafia wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:17 pm
faffy444 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:15 pm ill be honest I thought the info about Apulian ancestry came from dubro's book. perhaps I'm wrong about that. maybe I read about Apulia elsewhere.
No worries. If you ever come across the source again, please share. Thanks.
faffy444,

While I'm fairly certain there was no mention of Volpe's ancestry in Mob rule, you were at least very close to determining his ancestry, whereas I was far off.

The best answer, possibly, is that Volpe's parents and grandparents, as well as his mother's parents, had ancestry from Monteleone di Puglia. Although this comune in the province of Foggia has been part of the region of Puglia since 1929, the comune was previously part of Avellino in the region of Campania.

Volpe's father, Vito, was born around 1889. Vito Volpe and Elisabetta (Elizabeth) Russo were married in York, Toronto, Canada on May 8, 1916. Elisabetta Russo's parents were Francesco Russo and Amalia (Amelia?) Trombetta.

Please go to the following links to my Evernote items:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229/sh/ ... d68de374ed (details and images)

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229/res ... 3806524dc9 (image only)

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229/res ... 53849a0410 (image only)

Canadian writer Jerry Prager is almost singlehandedly responsible for tracing the ancestry of Volpe and other Italian-Canadian mafiosi and associates, whether well known or not. The above links are a result of my own research, which was made easier because Prager had done so much legwork.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by B. » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:22 pm

antimafia wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:33 pm Is the original transcript the one found at https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 2&tab=page?

On what page of the 95-page file is there discussion of Bonanno's having taken seven people from Magaddino's territory?
Here is the specific part about the 7 men from Magaddino's "area", plus the two who were made in Montreal. In other parts of the transcript references are made about Bonanno stepping on Magaddino's toes in Canada, but this is the only part that specifically mentions these 9 men that Bonanno apparently recruited.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... h=Montreal

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by Lupara » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:50 pm

I bet Paolo Violi was one of those initiated in the 1960s.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by antimafia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:33 pm

Is the original transcript the one found at https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 2&tab=page?

On what page of the 95-page file is there discussion of Bonanno's having taken seven people from Magaddino's territory?

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by B. » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:52 pm

I've been revisiting the original transcript that this topic was based on and see some things in a new light. When I have time I may give it a new breakdown.

One thing I wanted to mention now though is that the number of Bonanno members in the Montreal decina seemed to be an issue for Magaddino and may shed some light on the make-up of the Bonanno Montreal crew.

In reference to Canada, Paul Sciacca tells Magaddino that Bonanno took seven people from Magaddino's territory, then made two more in Montreal (on top of the existing members in Montreal). Magaddino indicates that he is fine with the Montreal decina having ten members, but any more than that (i.e. the 9 additional members) is unacceptable to him. In the DeCavalcante tapes, Sam mentions something about Bonanno inducting members after the books were closed, specifically in Arizona and Montreal, yet another grievance the Commission had with JB.This indicates that the Montreal decina was originally ten members and Bonanno recruited an additional seven men from Toronto or an area that was otherwise under Buffalo's control, plus made an additional two new members in Montreal

It's hard to say what is meant by JB "taking" seven people from Magaddino (i.e. it could mean they were simply allied with him in the war, though this seems to have taken place before the "war" broke out), but from the context it does seem like they're talking about members initiated into the Bonanno family in Canada. A report from the 1960s claims that the Montreal decina had ~20 members, just like it did in the late 90s/early 2000s. Since we have had such little member information from within Montreal, we have no idea who many of the ~20 members were. However, if you look at the numbers discussed by Magaddino/Sciacca, there were 10 officially sanctioned Montreal members, probably all made by the time the books closed in 1957. Then Bonanno brought in 9 more men, bringing the total crew members to 19, which matches the ~20 mentioned in other docs.

There were certainly enough recruits in Montreal proper to make up a 20 member decina, but like I said we have no idea who many of the early Montreal made members were, just a handful have been confirmed and we can speculate on a few more, but what if 7 of the 20 members circa mid-1960s were based in Toronto? The Montreal crew did have longstanding interests there and Vito DeFilippo had a strong presence in the area as well, maintaining influece over Paul Volpe and likely other Magaddino members/associates.

Remember that decades later Sal Vitale expected there to be ~10 members in Montreal and was surprised to find that there were 19 (previously 20, as Sciascia had been killed). Joe Bonanno's expansion of thecrew seems to have been unsanctioned, and maybe the Bonanno family/NYC continued to have the false impression that the Montreal crew was limited to ten, when in actuality they maintained the "illegal" ~20 number set up by Bonanno.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by B. » Mon May 15, 2017 8:25 pm

Yeah, Salvatore was married to Leonardo Galante's sister who was Stefano Magaddino's cousin. Sabella's sister was married to Matteo DiGregorio, brother of Gaspare. Sabella's brother Domenico was of course a Bonanno member. So he was definitely tapped into that same CDG tree.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by jimmyb » Sat May 13, 2017 4:50 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: Wed May 10, 2017 11:59 pm
jimmyb wrote: Wed May 10, 2017 4:57 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:32 am
B, great job. Really appreciate the work you put into it.
Agreed. B is a dedicated poster who puts in a lot of work into this. I love his way of discovering, analyzing and explaining. These transcripts are not easy to go through. Respect!
B. is the man, no doubt! Hopefully in the near future I can revisit my CDG research and get another book going. When it comes to Buffalo and 1950s-1970s Bonanno information, I plan on consulting B. as often as possible. Hope you don't mind!
Has your current book been released?

Another guy you might consider to seek information or advice from is Thomas Hunt, the co author of DiCarlo: Buffalo's First Family of Crime. if you are planning on a Buffalo book. I haven´t been in contact with Thomas Hunt for a long time, but I bet Antiliar has. I suggest you PM Antiliar, if you´re not in contact with Mr Hunt already. A talk with him could give you inspiration for a book on the Buffalo Mafia,

Thanks HK, yeah I agree---Hunt is an impressive researcher. His piece on the "Good Killers" was a big help for my research. I gave a shout out to his co-author Mike Tona in my book. A few yrs ago Tona sent me some really good stuff on the Magaddino family.

In terms of a future project, I want CDG to anchor the book. So to the extent I would talk about Buffalo, in would be about how the Magaddino family connected to other Castellammarese mafiosi in Sicily, Brooklyn, Detroit and Tucson.

B. you raise a good question about Philly. I know Morello talks a bit about Sabella in her books. I think Critchley does too.

Re: Revisiting the Magaddino transcript - names

by B. » Thu May 11, 2017 6:38 pm

jimmyb wrote: Wed May 10, 2017 4:57 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:32 am
B, great job. Really appreciate the work you put into it.
Agreed. B is a dedicated poster who puts in a lot of work into this. I love his way of discovering, analyzing and explaining. These transcripts are not easy to go through. Respect!
B. is the man, no doubt! Hopefully in the near future I can revisit my CDG research and get another book going. When it comes to Buffalo and 1950s-1970s Bonanno information, I plan on consulting B. as often as possible. Hope you don't mind!
Thanks man, but I would definitely consult JD and HairyKnuckles before me on the 1950s-1970s Bonannos. I've done a lot of research into them but those two guys have unearthed bigger things from that period and are better with the overall timeline of people/events.

If you did end up doing a CDG oriented book I'd be curious what you can find on the Philadelphia CDG guys. There aren't very many of them known but Sabella was the first confirmed boss and held the spot for a ~10 years even though some of the other Sicilian groups in Philly at the time like the Caccamo and Belmonte Mezzagno guys seem to have been the bigger groups. Offhand there were Sabella, Galante, and Chiodo families from CDG involved in the early Philly family but can't remember if there are other names offhand.

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