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by **JCB1977** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:05 pm

Wiseguy wrote:Mob connected guy found in a trunk (should give you the option to translate the page)

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/1 ... sa-voiture

Translation to English

MONTREAL - The corpse of a man discovered in the trunk of a car on Monday morning in the Saint-Léonard area of Montreal would be that of Steven Constantinou, a man linked to the Montreal mafia who has been missing for three weeks, Said the QMI Agency.

The investigation into the disappearance of the young man of 22 years is now one of murder.
It is unclear at this time how the victim was murdered and how long the crime was committed.

Earlier this month, the Montreal police issued a notice of disappearance concerning Constantinou and asked the public for help.

The body was found in the trunk of a black Dodge Caliber stationed on avenue Paul-Émile-Lamarche near the Rue du Creusot. It was the same car with which Constantinou had left his home in the Borough of LaSalle on 8 October. He then told his relatives that he was going to go shopping, but he never returned home. He was never seen alive either.

Joined on the phone by QMI Agency, the young man's mother was inconsolable. She did not want to react to the murder of her son. "I'm sorry, but it's not the right time to talk," she whispered, her voice out.

According to our sources, Steven Constantinou has already had a business relationship with Giuseppe "Closure" Colapelle, a major importer of drugs linked to Italian organized crime. Colapelle was shot dead in March 2012 while aboard his vehicle parked in the parking lot of the Beaches bar in the Saint-Léonard neighborhood.
Links with big sizes

According to our sources, Steven Constantinou also had links with two big shots of the Montreal mafia, Marco Pizzi and Liborio "Poncho" Cuntrera. Both were pinned last May as part of a major police operation of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police against the Montreal mafia.

The murder of Steven Constantinou is the 18th to occur in Montreal since the beginning of the year. No arrests have yet been made in connection with this crime.

by **scagghiuni** » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:25 am

OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Where's the proof that the Caruana-Cuntrera's were responsible for the murders of Carmine Verduci & Sal Calautti? There's been just as much "evidence" to support there murders being the result of a dispute within the 'Ndrangheta itself.

where's the proof ndrangheta is involved in montreal war? they are all speculation so far... anyway it's just my opinion that the caruana-cuntrera's are behind several murders included the moreno gallo, verduci and calautti ones

by **Lupara** » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:28 am

OlBlueEyesClub wrote:
scagghiuni wrote:
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:How is Desjardin's,a French Canadian the leader of the "Calabrian faction"? And it's been the idea for around the last year or two, that the Sicilian faction is on the outs. Personally speaking, I don't believe it's any longer a case of Sicilian Vs. Calabrian. I think they're intertwined , as in Sicilian & Calabrian members, and are backing various personnel whom may benefit their futures. As Lupara said, and as mentioned in Business Or Blood, the Caruanas-Cuntreras are known to be in business with Calabrians after the incarceration of Vito Rizzuto, I don't know what would suggest a change in that, but I don't know if I've seen it.
the murder of agostino cuntrera broke the alliance between caruana-cuntrera's and ndrangheta the murders of verduci and calautti were carried out by them; yes, the so -called sicilian and calabrian factions are mixed up and there are even not-italians probably made as desjardins

Where's the proof that the Caruana-Cuntrera's were responsible for the murders of Carmine Verduci & Sal Calautti? There's been just as much "evidence" to support there murders being the result of a dispute within the 'Ndrangheta itself.

Verduci seems to be a 'ndrangheta matter. However, one article stated that he had supported Montagna. He was very active in the years 2009-2014, hosting a Siderno group meeting and supposedly acting for Coluccio.

Calautti may very well be suicide by Rizzuto.

by **Wiseguy** » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:59 am

Mob connected guy found in a trunk (should give you the option to translate the page)

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/1 ... sa-voiture

by **OlBlueEyesClub** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:47 am

scagghiuni wrote:
OlBlueEyesClub wrote:How is Desjardin's,a French Canadian the leader of the "Calabrian faction"? And it's been the idea for around the last year or two, that the Sicilian faction is on the outs. Personally speaking, I don't believe it's any longer a case of Sicilian Vs. Calabrian. I think they're intertwined , as in Sicilian & Calabrian members, and are backing various personnel whom may benefit their futures. As Lupara said, and as mentioned in Business Or Blood, the Caruanas-Cuntreras are known to be in business with Calabrians after the incarceration of Vito Rizzuto, I don't know what would suggest a change in that, but I don't know if I've seen it.
the murder of agostino cuntrera broke the alliance between caruana-cuntrera's and ndrangheta the murders of verduci and calautti were carried out by them; yes, the so -called sicilian and calabrian factions are mixed up and there are even not-italians probably made as desjardins

Where's the proof that the Caruana-Cuntrera's were responsible for the murders of Carmine Verduci & Sal Calautti? There's been just as much "evidence" to support there murders being the result of a dispute within the 'Ndrangheta itself.

by **scagghiuni** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:52 am

OlBlueEyesClub wrote:How is Desjardin's,a French Canadian the leader of the "Calabrian faction"? And it's been the idea for around the last year or two, that the Sicilian faction is on the outs. Personally speaking, I don't believe it's any longer a case of Sicilian Vs. Calabrian. I think they're intertwined , as in Sicilian & Calabrian members, and are backing various personnel whom may benefit their futures. As Lupara said, and as mentioned in Business Or Blood, the Caruanas-Cuntreras are known to be in business with Calabrians after the incarceration of Vito Rizzuto, I don't know what would suggest a change in that, but I don't know if I've seen it.

the murder of agostino cuntrera broke the alliance between caruana-cuntrera's and ndrangheta the murders of verduci and calautti were carried out by them; yes, the so -called sicilian and calabrian factions are mixed up and there are even not-italians probably made as desjardins

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:33 pm

OlBlueEyesClub wrote:How is Desjardin's,a French Canadian the leader of the "Calabrian faction"?

This.

OlBlueEyesClub wrote: I don't believe it's any longer a case of Sicilian Vs. Calabrian. I think they're intertwined , as in Sicilian & Calabrian members, and are backing various personnel whom may benefit their futures.

And this.
Are both very good points.

Too much is made of the Sicilian v Calabrian angle. Montreal is a mixed bag with inderviduals pursing self interest over ethnic regionalism. This is of course not denying there is most likely N'drangheta influence from Tor which is calabrian in origin. That they are involved/supporting a faction is likely. But to say the battle lines in Montreal are dran on Sicilian v Calabrian would be mistaken.

In my opinion.

by **OlBlueEyesClub** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:59 pm

How is Desjardin's,a French Canadian the leader of the "Calabrian faction"? And it's been the idea for around the last year or two, that the Sicilian faction is on the outs. Personally speaking, I don't believe it's any longer a case of Sicilian Vs. Calabrian. I think they're intertwined , as in Sicilian & Calabrian members, and are backing various personnel whom may benefit their futures. As Lupara said, and as mentioned in Business Or Blood, the Caruanas-Cuntreras are known to be in business with Calabrians after the incarceration of Vito Rizzuto, I don't know what would suggest a change in that, but I don't know if I've seen it.

by **scagghiuni** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:38 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: "The mafiosi Vincenzo Spagnolo, shot in Laval last Saturday, was part of a short list of men to be slaughtered by the Calabrian mafia, according to sources consulted by our Bureau of Investigation.
According to these informants, it appears that the obstacles for a great return to Montreal of the Calabrian mafia, confined for 40 years in the Toronto area, are less and less numerous.
For one of the few times, the police experts and sources speak with one voice; it is a matter of time before the 'Ndrangheta (Calabrian mafia region of Italy) relocates to the metropolis.
"It's not just a matter of revenge of the Calabrian faction that is behind all this recent months, but it is also a clear intention to eradicate the heads of the Sicilian faction of the Montreal Mafia," comments by Pierre De Champlain, former RCMP analyst and researcher on the mafia."

as i said ndrangheta supports dejardins and the caruana-cuntrera's support the sicilian faction... i do agree with dixiemafia that desjardins is the leader of the so-call calabrian faction; anyway i don't agree with this report, both the factions are strong, if you look at all the muerders of the latest year half were carried out by sicilians and half by dejardins/calabrians

by **scagghiuni** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:31 am

Lupara wrote:I'm not so sure whether the Caruanas-Cuntreras still support them. They are well known to be in business with the Calabrians.

i think yes liborio cuntrera is a leading member of montreal mafia and close to the rizzuto's i'm sure the hit of moreno gallo in mexico was carried out by them

by **dixiemafia** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:02 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote:Desjardines was not even mentioned in the article.

I never said he was behind Spagnolo. I simply said I could see how he could have and how he couldn't have been involved. I simply said Desjardins didn't lose power by going behind bars.

by **Lupara** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:56 am

scagghiuni wrote:
Lupara wrote:I doubt that Leonardo, as a former lawyer, has what it takes to remain in power. I think his life is in danger if or when he comes out. Stefano Sollecito has as much change to die from cancer as from a bullet. Things are looking grim for them right now, with their key allies being killed one by one. Vito Rizzuto was able to turn the tide because of the immense respect people had for him. He had built up a strong reputation in a decades long criminal carreer at the top and because of that he had a strong base of support. This is not the case for Stefano and Leonardo who basically filled the vacuum Vito left behind before anybody else could. They weren't established enough to gain unanimous recognition as leaders. Montagna had the same problem and he didn't last either.
all the montreal mobsters life is in danger at this point the rizzuto's seem to have still power probably because the caruana-cuntrera's support them

I'm not so sure whether the Caruanas-Cuntreras still support them. They are well known to be in business with the Calabrians.

by **scagghiuni** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:15 am

Lupara wrote:I doubt that Leonardo, as a former lawyer, has what it takes to remain in power. I think his life is in danger if or when he comes out. Stefano Sollecito has as much change to die from cancer as from a bullet. Things are looking grim for them right now, with their key allies being killed one by one. Vito Rizzuto was able to turn the tide because of the immense respect people had for him. He had built up a strong reputation in a decades long criminal carreer at the top and because of that he had a strong base of support. This is not the case for Stefano and Leonardo who basically filled the vacuum Vito left behind before anybody else could. They weren't established enough to gain unanimous recognition as leaders. Montagna had the same problem and he didn't last either.

all the montreal mobsters life is in danger at this point the rizzuto's seem to have still power probably because the caruana-cuntrera's support them

by **JCB1977** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:01 pm

Very interesting Sonny

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:05 pm

dixiemafia wrote:
SonnyBlackstein wrote:
dixiemafia wrote:But if you think he lost all his power simply because he is in prison you would be sadly mistaken.
Im genuinely curious as to what you know that no one else does?

You're from the south I assume (your handle is a reference to the Mason-Dixon Line?), and I don't bring that up in a derogatory fashion.
I'm simply curious as to how you know Desjardines didn't lose his power when he went to prison.

The above statement says that those who believe he lost his power upon prison are 'sadly mistaken'.

Why?
Here is a quote from a story Hollander posted over on GBB:

Raynald Desjardins

62 years

While we did not give expensive of his skin there only a year and would have even been the subject of a murder plot by former soldier of the Hells Angels Maurice Boucher, it seems that the guy has taken the bull by the horns in recent months and that its influence is still real. Desjardins still has a team on the ground to defend its interests. However, it may spend several years in prison, who soon know his sentence after pleading guilty in July 2015 of conspiracy to murder of Salvatore Montagna. Desjardins is one of the clan leaders who tried to overthrow the Rizzuto in 2009-2010, according to police.

Excerpt from recent article (posted on GBB)
"The mafiosi Vincenzo Spagnolo, shot in Laval last Saturday, was part of a short list of men to be slaughtered by the Calabrian mafia, according to sources consulted by our Bureau of Investigation.
According to these informants, it appears that the obstacles for a great return to Montreal of the Calabrian mafia, confined for 40 years in the Toronto area, are less and less numerous.
For one of the few times, the police experts and sources speak with one voice; it is a matter of time before the 'Ndrangheta (Calabrian mafia region of Italy) relocates to the metropolis.
"It's not just a matter of revenge of the Calabrian faction that is behind all this recent months, but it is also a clear intention to eradicate the heads of the Sicilian faction of the Montreal Mafia," comments by Pierre De Champlain, former RCMP analyst and researcher on the mafia."

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/1 ... -calabrais

Although the article continues to state the Sûreté du Québec is 'more cautious' they go on to state "According to our information, there has been a significant increase in back and forth visits of Ontario individuals linked to the Calabrian clan in recent weeks.
Some even come from Hamilton, confirms a source familiar with this matter, and this is not "by chance"."

So to discount the Calabrian clans, at this stage as having some level of involvement, at a minimum, at this stage is to discount common consensus.

Desjardines was not even mentioned in the article.

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