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Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Antiliar » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:04 am

That chronology makes sense. Well, then, that's a good find HK.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by HairyKnuckles » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:23 am

Antiliar wrote:When Costello went to prison in the late 1950s Genovese has already replaced him. I can see Catena being made a crew boss by Costello after Moretti was killed in 1951, but it doesn't make sense that Catena was appointed a boss by Costello when Costello already lost his power, having been demoted to nothing. It just doesn't fit with the chronology.
My thinking is that Costello made Catena acting boss in 1956, when he was still the boss. In 1956, Costello was sentenced to 5 years for tax evasion. It was after the murder attempt on him in May 1957, that Costello was demoted and Genovese took power. So if this is correct, Catena was made captain in 1951, acting boss in 1956, underboss in 1957.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Angelo Santino » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:44 pm

Unless they went to Costello following Genovese's incarceration and Costello "suggested" Catena as a candidate. He was out of power but probably retained some measure of influence/pull.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Antiliar » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:12 pm

When Costello went to prison in the late 1950s Genovese has already replaced him. I can see Catena being made a crew boss by Costello after Moretti was killed in 1951, but it doesn't make sense that Catena was appointed a boss by Costello when Costello already lost his power, having been demoted to nothing. It just doesn't fit with the chronology.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by HairyKnuckles » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:51 am

Antiliar wrote:
I'm surprised that Alo would be an acting boss when Genovese was available. I could see Genovese as acting boss and Alo as acting underboss.

Looking at other files it's possible that Alo taking over was an unfounded underworld rumor:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... 20costello

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... 5&tab=page
Yeah, looks like Alo was never selected Costello´s replacement. Carmine Bove, Fred "Poggiarelli" (clearly a reference to Fred "Poggi" Toriello and a "rackateer" named "Malindri" (Mike Miranda?) were all under consideration. I´m surprised Vito Genovese was not mentioned.

Found this, which may be more closer to the truth:

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Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Antiliar » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:19 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote:
Chris Christie wrote:Didn't Frank Costello serve 1-2 years in the later period? If so that might be a probable era when Moretti was acting.
Later period? Do you mean in the 1950s? Moretti was dead by then. Costello had legal troubles periodically from appr 1952 til he was shot in 1957. Did time in between 1952 and 1953. And again in 1956. Jimmy Alo was acting boss in 1956.

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I believe what the informant meant by "Eastern Syndicate" is actually the Genovese Family. I have no record of who was acting boss in 1952 and 1953.
I'm surprised that Alo would be an acting boss when Genovese was available. I could see Genovese as acting boss and Alo as acting underboss.

Looking at other files it's possible that Alo taking over was an unfounded underworld rumor:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... 20costello

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... 5&tab=page

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by HairyKnuckles » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:51 am

Chris Christie wrote:Didn't Frank Costello serve 1-2 years in the later period? If so that might be a probable era when Moretti was acting.
Later period? Do you mean in the 1950s? Moretti was dead by then. Costello had legal troubles periodically from appr 1952 til he was shot in 1957. Did time in between 1952 and 1953. And again in 1956. Jimmy Alo was acting boss in 1956.

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I believe what the informant meant by "Eastern Syndicate" is actually the Genovese Family. I have no record of who was acting boss in 1952 and 1953.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Antiliar » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:15 pm

Chris Christie wrote:Didn't Frank Costello serve 1-2 years in the later period? If so that might be a probable era when Moretti was acting.
Costello became the official boss when he met with Luciano in Cuba in late 1946, shortly before Lucky was deported to Italy.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Angelo Santino » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:39 pm

Didn't Frank Costello serve 1-2 years in the later period? If so that might be a probable era when Moretti was acting.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Antiliar » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:37 pm

B. wrote:Thanks for posting. In the Real Thing, Valachi seems to say that Luciano was official boss until the 1950s, and that Moretti was acting boss at some point around the time Vito Genovese came back from Italy.
Yes, Valachi got his dates wrong.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by B. » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:25 pm

Thanks for posting. In the Real Thing, Valachi seems to say that Luciano was official boss until the 1950s, and that Moretti was acting boss at some point around the time Vito Genovese came back from Italy.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Antiliar » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:50 am

I posted this elsewhere, so I thought it would be good here too:

1931:
Boss: Lucky Luciano
Underboss: Vito Genovese
Consigliere: Saverio Pollaccia (k. 1932)

1932:
B: Luciano
U: Genovese
C: Frank Costello

1936-1945:
B: Luciano
Acting boss: Costello [Joe Valachi says "Chee Gusae" and Willie Moretti were briefly acting bosses around 1936 or so]
U: Genovese
Acting underboss: Willie Moretti
C: Costello
Acting consigliere: Alessandro "Sandino" Pandolfo

1947-1948:
B: Costello
U: Genovese
C: Pandolfo (died in 1948)

1948-1957:
B: Costello
U: Genovese
C: unknown [Michele Miranda was the next known consigliere, but we don't know when he was promoted to this position; we know he was the consigliere under Genovese]

1957-1969:
B: Genovese
U: Gerry Catena
C: Miranda

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Antiliar » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:21 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:What is the relation between Anthony and Mike Miramda? Thanks.

Pogo
They were brothers.
B. wrote:
Antiliar wrote:Yale: Carfano (k 1959), Frank Forte (k 1923), Angelo Uale, unsure of the others or if they continued on under Carfano. Newspapers added Michael Abbatemarco, but I think they were mistaken and it was guilt by association.
Strollo: should be in the chart for Eboli, his successor.
Pellegrino: several names like Rosario Mogavero, but I don't know who was part of it in 1931.
Wasn't Giuseppe Piraino/Peraino believed to be part of the Yale crew? I believe Vincenzo "Jimmy Dimino" Generoso was associated with Yale and Cafarno as well back then.
Yes, I forgot about him, but it could be another case of guilt by association. Based on guilty by association Frank Costello and Albert Anastasia would have been in the same crew.

Also, since Peraino's kids were Colombos I have to wonder if he was really under Mineo/DiBella/Profaci.

Maybe Generoso was part of the Yale/Carfano crew then got his own. Don't have much documentation on him.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by B. » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:12 am

Antiliar wrote:Yale: Carfano (k 1959), Frank Forte (k 1923), Angelo Uale, unsure of the others or if they continued on under Carfano. Newspapers added Michael Abbatemarco, but I think they were mistaken and it was guilt by association.
Strollo: should be in the chart for Eboli, his successor.
Pellegrino: several names like Rosario Mogavero, but I don't know who was part of it in 1931.
Wasn't Giuseppe Piraino/Peraino believed to be part of the Yale crew? I believe Vincenzo "Jimmy Dimino" Generoso was associated with Yale and Cafarno as well back then.

Re: Historical Genovese Leadership Crews

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:09 am

What is the relation between Anthony and Mike Miramda? Thanks.


Pogo

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