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Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by B. » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:13 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote:B, is this the report? It´s a chart showing the administration and captains. Note the underlined name (Sebastiano Russo). It´s possibly a typo or some kind of mistake because I don´t know who this Sebastaino Russo is. Is it possible you confused this name with Sebastiano Aloi? And if it´s not a typo or mistake, does anyone know who this Sebastiano Russo is?
Nope, it wasn't that report. I thought the one I'm referring to was a Scarpa file also, but I haven't been able to find it yet. I distinctly remember seeing him referred to along with a couple of other guys, in what context I've got no idea. Thinking back, I'm not so sure it said he was made, it may have just discussed a business/racket he was involved in. It was the first time I'd heard of him and I'd never researched the Alois before which is why the name stuck out to me.

As for Sebastiano Russo, Pogo's guess has to be right. No idea how Anthony "Chucky" Russo would be mistakenly called Sebastiano, but he's not listed otherwise and he was a well-known captain/acting captain in the family by then.

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:49 am

Probably a typo. I'm sure they mean Anthony Russo. Good find.


Pogo

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by HairyKnuckles » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:13 am

B, is this the report? It´s a chart showing the administration and captains. Note the underlined name (Sebastiano Russo). It´s possibly a typo or some kind of mistake because I don´t know who this Sebastaino Russo is. Is it possible you confused this name with Sebastiano Aloi? And if it´s not a typo or mistake, does anyone know who this Sebastiano Russo is?

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Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by B. » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:38 pm

There is another doc I have seen, I believe from the early 90s, that specifically names Sebastian Jr. as a member. It confused me at the time because I'd never heard of him and hadn't yet seen this about the making ceremony where Benny Aloi's brother was made. I'll see if I can find the other doc I mentioned.

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by HairyKnuckles » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:17 pm

Census records show a Frank Aloi who was seemingly an older brother of Benny and Vinny, but I'm not sure the story there. There is no mention in the 1940 census of Sebastian Jr.
Thanks for finding the census. It appears they were four brothers. Vinny was oldest, then came Frank, then Benny and Sebastian Jr the youngest. I have tried to locate Benny´s obituary but haven´t found it. I found Frank´s though:

"ALOI, Frank, 80, of Safety Harbor, passed away Aug. 24, 2012. Survived by children, Sebastian, Rose & Helen; brothers, Vincent & Sebastian Jr. & 4 grand-children. www.Curlewhills.com"

- Tampa Bay Times (FL) - Monday, August 27, 2012

I´m still confused though who the made member was. Was it Frank or Sebastian Jr? B, what´s your source on it being Sebastian Jr?

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by B. » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:53 pm

There is some weird wording with the Colombo family during this time which makes it confusing. For example there are numerous times where Orena is called "official acting boss", and we know he was allowed to make members and order hits as he saw fit, so he was basically an acting boss with the authority of an official boss. Aloi and Angellino are specifically said to be promoted to official positions, but as HK posted there are times later when they're called acting. They could have been "official acting" like Orena, too, but what that would mean for underboss/consigliere I have no idea. You also had members promoted to acting positions who officially gave up their decinas to other guys or had their crews split up (later this was the case when Joey Scopo became acting underboss too), so it's as if they were meant to have more permanent positions in the admin.
HairyKnuckles wrote:
Most of the guys running the family during this period had sentences hanging over their heads and continued in their leadership roles until they were off the streets.
I have noticed that too. Can´t help to think that Persico Sr sometimes wanted some of these men to get into trouble, although that doesn´t make any sense really. He was an insecure boss and perhaps he sometimes solved his leadership problems by letting some of these men get into a jam. And perhaps, there was on some occasions people within the Colombo Family (not counting Orena) who wanted Persico removed. Who knows...Persico simply may have been suffering from paranoia, seeing signs of conspiracies everywhere he turned. But you know what they say about paranoid people? Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you,
That's a good observation. By having guys running the family who were actively dealing with legal troubles, it kept the power firmly in Persico's hands. Even Benny Aloi who was one of the constants in the leadership from 1986 onward had his own legal issues on and off. Orena shook it up by staying in power on the streets for years, and look what ended up happening.

Benny Aloi has become more interesting to me through reading about this era. His brother Vinny obviously was made much earlier (1950s) and had been a family leader before Persico took power, but he was out of the leadership picture completely by the late 1970s and doesn't seem to have been much of a factor through most of the 1980s. Benny got made in the 1970s and became a core part of the Persico faction, first taking over Langella's decina and then joining the admin later. Vinny Aloi seems to have become a player again because of Benny's power. The Persicos were also willing to make peace with the Alois during the war, but seems the Aloi weren't interested or didn't get the message.

Census records show a Frank Aloi who was seemingly an older brother of Benny and Vinny, but I'm not sure the story there. There is no mention in the 1940 census of Sebastian Jr. but he would have been born around 1939 and maybe the information was collected before he was born or he was missed for some other reason. I don't know much about the father Buster. Anyone know how he got involved in the family, early associates pre-1950s, or even where in Italy he was from?

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by HairyKnuckles » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:21 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote:I thought so but B. posted up top that Aloi became Official UnderBoss and Angellino Official Consiglieri in April 1988.


Pogo
It´s possible Aloi became official consigliere prior to Persico´s death in September 1989. In fact, it appears that way. My bad. However, Angellino was still acting consigliere as of July 1988. One of the reasons Angellino was killed was his refusal to step down. A boss can not demand an official consigliere to step down. Unless he voluntarily steps down for some reason.

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I think this is the meeting where John Gotti expressed his opinion on that the Colombos need a steady hierarchy and to get rid of the acting positions.

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:42 am

I thought so but B. posted up top that Aloi became Official UnderBoss and Angellino Official Consiglieri in April 1988.


Pogo

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by HairyKnuckles » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:28 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:Any idea who replaced Angellino as Consiglieri in 1988? Or was the position left vacant until Sessa got it in 1990?


Pogo
Benny Aloi. Actually, Alphonse Persico (the brother of Carmine) still held on to the spot til he died in 1989. Angellino was acting consigliere and Aloi too. In 1989, Aloi was official consigliere.

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:09 am

Any idea who replaced Angellino as Consiglieri in 1988? Or was the position left vacant until Sessa got it in 1990?


Pogo

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by HairyKnuckles » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:54 am

Most of the guys running the family during this period had sentences hanging over their heads and continued in their leadership roles until they were off the streets.
I have noticed that too. Can´t help to think that Persico Sr sometimes wanted some of these men to get into trouble, although that doesn´t make any sense really. He was an insecure boss and perhaps he sometimes solved his leadership problems by letting some of these men get into a jam. And perhaps, there was on some occasions people within the Colombo Family (not counting Orena) who wanted Persico removed. Who knows...Persico simply may have been suffering from paranoia, seeing signs of conspiracies everywhere he turned. But you know what they say about paranoid people? Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you,

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by B. » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:42 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:Thanks. Any idea what became of Sebastian Jr?


Pogo
Doesn't seem to have been too active in family affairs and there is little to no info on him except for a few records here and there and an article about him cheating a casino in FL. He lived in Miami at least for a time. As far as I know he's still alive.
HairyKnuckles wrote: B, Thomas Petrizzo was also promoted to actng skipper in 1988. But I don´t know for which crew. He had previously been under Allie Boy Persico, just like Orena. A year later, he was made official captain.

Michael Sessa was made in 1988, so was Vincent Cascio, Robert D´Onofrio, Vincent "Jimmy Gooch" Febbraro in 1987, Dennis Guzzardo in 1987, Joseph "Legs" Legrano in 1988, Larry "Monk" Miccioli in 1988, Victor Orena Jr in 1987 and Henry "Hank The Bank" Smurra in 1988 or 1989.
Other info has Petrizzo being promoted in mid-1989, but maybe that was when he was officially upped.

Yep, Victor Orena Jr. was the son mentioned above in the ceremony with Sebastian Aloi Jr. Not sure when John Orena got made, but he was the one promoted to captain later.

Curious if anyone knows more about the books being closed for all families circa 1987. Members were being made in the Gambinos, Colombos, and Bonannos through 1986 I know. I can't recall any from the Luccheses but I don't know much about them. From the sound of it, the Genovese weren't making many if any members during this period, as a little bit later is when Gotti allegedly pointed out to Gigante that the Genovese had a ton of slots they weren't filling and Gigante told him to mind his own business. The Colombos making 13 guys and apparently not caring about approval apparently didn't cause problems.

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by HairyKnuckles » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:18 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:Great stuff B. The Colombos are certainly one of the most interesting families.


Any idea who is the Aloi brother made on July 28, 1987? Didn't know Vinny and Benny had a brother who was made.


Pogo
I have been looking for a while, trying to find a brother and seems to remember something about a guy named Frank Aloi. That was awhile ago so I don´t remeber the details. Neither do I know for sure this Frank is the brother. Maybe one of you street guys knows anything about the guy?

B, Thomas Petrizzo was also promoted to actng skipper in 1988. But I don´t know for which crew. He had previously been under Allie Boy Persico, just like Orena. A year later, he was made official captain.

Michael Sessa was made in 1988, so was Vincent Cascio, Robert D´Onofrio, Vincent "Jimmy Gooch" Febbraro in 1987, Dennis Guzzardo in 1987, Joseph "Legs" Legrano in 1988, Larry "Monk" Miccioli in 1988, Victor Orena Jr in 1987 and Henry "Hank The Bank" Smurra in 1988 or 1989.

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:15 am

Thanks. Any idea what became of Sebastian Jr?


Pogo

Re: Some Colombo inductions/promotions 1986-1988

by B. » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:13 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:Great stuff B. The Colombos are certainly one of the most interesting families.


Any idea who is the Aloi brother made on July 28, 1987? Didn't know Vinny and Benny had a brother who was made.


Pogo
From other reports Sebastian Aloi Jr. was the brother who got made. He was close to 50 by this time, so surprising he wouldn't have gotten made earlier given who his father and brothers were.

Also another note that Jimmy Angellino was free as of July 1988, possibly earlier if he was free when he was made consigliere in April. So he was definitely in jail a short time after he became acting boss.

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