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Sorry I just realized that I didn't answer your original question, I haven't read anything saying Parrello and Merlino are on tape together, but I would assume Rubeo tried to get them both talking to each other who knows

Right I meant to say that in the indictment I do not think it mentions Rubeo and Merlino on tape together, but I think the latest Dave S video has Dave S in his car talking to Capeci on speaker phone saying Rubeo and Merlino are on tape together ... I will double check later tonight

[quote="moneyman"]I'm pretty sure one of the Fox 29 Dave S reports claimed that are hours of Merlino and Rubeo talking together, I think it was the last one he did... it's the one where Dave S is talking to Capeci on speaker phone.... but I think you are right I don't think the indictment mentions Merlino and Rubeo on tape together[/quote]


You mean Parrello and Merlino not on tape together correct?

I'm pretty sure one of the Fox 29 Dave S reports claimed that are hours of Merlino and Rubeo talking together, I think it was the last one he did... it's the one where Dave S is talking to Capeci on speaker phone.... but I think you are right I don't think the indictment mentions Merlino and Rubeo on tape together

[quote="moneyman"]I could be wrong but the indictment does not mention Rubeo being shipped around by the feds, only that Parrello gave him the ok to go to Florida to meet with Merlino..[/quote]

I think the indictment is extremely bland but it says that to point of the leadership structure of LCN. How is works is the FBI wires up Rubeo in and around the Bronx...get what they need on Parrello and crew. Then they ship him off to FL to record Merlino. Rubeo then checks in with Parrello to get the ok to go to FL. I don't see a direct Parrello /Merlino connection anywhere in this indictment. No wire taps of Merlino and Parrello speaking to each other? No mention of Merlino meeting directly with Parrello? It does however mention that Merlino was recorded in Fl Nj and NY...? Am I wrong there? Perhaps Merlino met direct with Parrello? Or maybe just Sal? But they are kinda like oil and water those two(parrello and merlino? I don't see how Parrello would want to be seen or associated with someone like Merlino who likes to play the flashy gangster role created by Hollywood rather than real LCN? But who the hell knows? The indict is extremely bland with most of the details missing. But Parrello and Merlino are pretty much complete opposites. Once drives around in a convertible Rolls Royces in an extra small shirt and the other is low key driving a late model caddy. GO figure. Greed and anything to make a quicke easy buck is probably the connection ..... :?:

I could be wrong but the indictment does not mention Rubeo being shipped around by the feds, only that Parrello gave him the ok to go to Florida to meet with Merlino..

[quote="moneyman"]Sonny not sure what you mean when you say Merlino had nothing to do with the takedown..

Parrello sent or at least authorized Rubeo to meet and work with Merlino in FL..I thought it was stated that Merlino was involved with the skin care scam.. so by extension involved with Parrello.. I'd have to reread the indictment but that's how I remember it[/quote]

Rubeo was "owned" by Parrello so to speak. So Rubeo would need Parrello's permission to work for Taco Bell never mind Merlino. Parrello and Merlino were not in prisoned the same time or even together. I know that Sal the undertaker did time in the same prison as Merlino for a few yrs before Merlino was shipped off to another prison. So I suspect Merlino's connection to the Westside is thru Sal who is about the same age or younger then Merlino. I believe Sal reports to Parrello now. Other then that Parrello and Merlino has zero incommon so I think its just a matter of Rubeo being shipped around by the feds making tapes just like they did with Nicky Skins. Once they got Parrello and crew on tape they simply shipped him off to FL and once in FL had Rubeo send word to Parrello for permission to work in that Racket down there that Merlino had his fingers in. Parrello probably never saw or even spoke to Merlino in his life. Merlino got word back to him that Parrello vouched for Rubeo and had his ok to work in that racket down there. Rubeo was obviously a little smoother then Nicky Skins... (though I think Nicky Skins wanted Merlino to know he was wired up with the questions he was asking Merlino...pretty much a red flag for Merlino to keep his mouth shut). But I agree with past remarks that Merlino has ZERO incommon with Parrello. Parrello's charges are more centered around Racketeering, soon to be attempt murder plot , assaults then the SKin Cream it seems. I don't think Parrello is really that strongly tied to the Skin Cream racket other then maybe receiving $$ for it as tribute from Rubeo which leads me to believe was not even Close with Merlino nor did he even have a relationship with him. Younger guy like Sal the Undertaker who did time with Merlino probably vouched for Merlno to Parrello that he would not be tied to Merlino and he obviously trusted Rubeo...although had Parrello known about Rubeo Drug bust.they all would have been weary of him but that is another story. But this whole indictment is allot like the Gambino bust a ways back that brought down the Corozzo brothers. The CW was a trused associate who was busted with a few kilos and flipped and wore a wire and no one knew he was arrested by the DEA or they would have all been weary of him or killed him for insurance ....
Just my 8 cents here...

got it thanks

[quote="moneyman"]Sonny not sure what you mean when you say Merlino had nothing to do with the takedown[/quote]


He means that the informant was a Genovese guy with Porrello. So these guys would have been busted even if they hadn't delt with a high profile guy like Merlino.


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Sonny not sure what you mean when you say Merlino had nothing to do with the takedown..

Parrello sent or at least authorized Rubeo to meet and work with Merlino in FL..I thought it was stated that Merlino was involved with the skin care scam.. so by extension involved with Parrello.. I'd have to reread the indictment but that's how I remember it

It is interesting that Parello would get involved with Merlino considering Merlinos profile compared with how they operate in the Westside.

But it's also true that Merlino had nothing to do with this takedown. Rubeo worked for Parello and Parello was going down with Merlino or without him.

My biggest question is how does Rubeo get Parrello involved with Merlino in Florida... Parrello is a successful businessman in his own right, he must have known Merlino had tons of heat all over him...

Ruben must have positioned himself as the only guy who could have brokered this lucrative deal with the skin cream.. hindsight is 20/20 but fact remains you have a Bronx based Genovese Captain working almost directly with Merlino... makes zero sense to me hopefully more documents are revealed... Rubeo must have one hell of a story

[quote="B."][quote="OlBlueEyesClub"]Not necessarily true. Look at the Nicky O situation, although a big beef was that his name and others whom were made by Patty Specs and Tony Piccolo werent passed around to the other families., and Nicky O supposedly already being on record with Cabert & The Gambino's, he and the others whom were made with Fresolone are to this day recognized by law enforcement as members of the Bruno-Scarfo Crime Family. But again, thats law enforcement. I have no idea if it's actually different from the pov of various mob families in NY and their NJ extensions.[/quote]

In Philadelphia/SJ proper, the names only had to be distributed among the Philadelphia/Jersey family captains as far as I know, at least back in the 1960s. I could be wrong, but in the info I've seen I've never seen anything about them taking names up to NY while there is info about the names being taken to the family captains.

I believe the Newark members of the Philly had to be passed around to the other NY/NJ families because of their close proximity and the amount of business they do with each other.[/quote]


Thats true. I was just saying there are cases, well atleast one case, of guys being made when they're names weren't passed around to all the NY/NJ families.

[quote="Eddie mush"]My question is what was parello waiting for to whack this guy who killed his kid. The guy was not made no problem there. And he killed the son of a genovese capo. Shud been done years ago

Even if they asked gambino for the ok i think they get if for 2 reasons. 1) the guy was not italian he was a outsider abd i am sure if its a eye for a eye thing the gambino would rather give him up there one of there own 2) genovese is the biggest family in the country no way patsy gets a "no" from his bosses if he wants amatz . I mean they wacked his kid no boss telling his capo u cant act[/quote]

Read the article again.

'Agents visited him and warned him that they learned there was a contract out on his life," said one law enforcement source. "They didn't tell him who was behind it, but he's been looking over his shoulder for years and he knew what it was all about. He made himself scarce."

Patsy only found out where he was in last couple of years.

My question is what was parello waiting for to whack this guy who killed his kid. The guy was not made no problem there. And he killed the son of a genovese capo. Shud been done years ago

Even if they asked gambino for the ok i think they get if for 2 reasons. 1) the guy was not italian he was a outsider abd i am sure if its a eye for a eye thing the gambino would rather give him up there one of there own 2) genovese is the biggest family in the country no way patsy gets a "no" from his bosses if he wants amatz . I mean they wacked his kid no boss telling his capo u cant act