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Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by Nicholas » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:50 pm

Thank you!!!!!

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by JCB1977 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:52 am

Here are a few videos on Cleveland/Youngstown:

Sugar Wars- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwwbUES2Rgc (Download the entire documentary for $3.99)

Jimmy Licavoli aka Jack White- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2QWD1_5gxs

Danny Greene- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPZTKlIRZtM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGjSFGlKvlQ

Shondor Birns- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajUwUJfiLps

Youngstown Mobster Series- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnjx9oCa5KI

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by JCB1977 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:42 am

Nicholas wrote:Interesting

Here are a few links to FBI files on Cleveland that are really good:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... 3&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... 6&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... 7&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... 2&tab=page

And here are a few articles on Cleveland/Youngstown:

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/ ... _of_a.html

http://clevelandmagazine.com/entertainm ... ather-myth

https://newrepublic.com/article/68973/crimetown-usa

http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/end ... id=1472059

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by Nicholas » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:20 pm

Interesting

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by JCB1977 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:03 pm

Nicholas wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote: I'd say out of the smaller families Cleveland / Pittsburgh are very interesting, Kansas City, and Milwaukee along with St. Louis also have some very colorful characters that provide for a good read !


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KC is certainly an interesting family. One that may or may not be around. I can't say the same for STL or Milwaukee

Cleveland and the Irish-Italian crews remind me of a smaller version of New England
Cleveland at its height was very similar in size to New England. Probably a bit smaller, but not by much.

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by phatmatress777 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:07 pm

No they are gone and I would imagine kc is too for the most part maybe a few old timers still surviving


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Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by Nicholas » Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:06 pm

phatmatress777 wrote: I'd say out of the smaller families Cleveland / Pittsburgh are very interesting, Kansas City, and Milwaukee along with St. Louis also have some very colorful characters that provide for a good read !


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KC is certainly an interesting family. One that may or may not be around. I can't say the same for STL or Milwaukee

Cleveland and the Irish-Italian crews remind me of a smaller version of New England

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by JCB1977 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:58 am

phatmatress777 wrote:
Nicholas wrote:
JCB1977 wrote:
Nicholas wrote:
JCB1977 wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:I always wondered in the season 4 of the sopranos when Paulie was locked up in Youngstown lockup he was out there seein a friend named Lenny got busted with a .38 under the seat from a unsolved homicide from 8 years ago... I always wondered if that was a little homage to strollo from sopranos writers


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The name Paulie used in the Sopranos was 'Lenny Scortise.' I know for a fact that when Tony Sirico was in Youngstown for the filming of Ray Mancini's movie called Turn of Faith, he had dinner at the Fireplace Restaurant with Paulie Holawatick (Joey Naples Bodyguard/driver) and former bookmaker Sammy Vona. I'm sure Tony Sirico knew what had just transpired in Youngstown at that time...Plus, I know for a fact that he went with Ray Mancini down to Steubenville to visit the longtime home of Dino Crocetti aka Dean Martin. Ray Mancini is married to Tina Romeo, Paul Romeo Sr.'s granddaughter.
Where'd you hear this?
You from Youngstown Nicholas? You're oftly curious for an Orange County, CA resident
Nope! Never been to Ohio, but I've always had an interest in the smaller families
I'd say out of the smaller families Cleveland / Pittsburgh are very interesting, Kansas City, and Milwaukee along with St. Louis also have some very colorful characters that provide for a good read !


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I'm very interested in San Francisco and San Jose as some of the members were former members of Pittsburgh and had connections to Pittsburgh.

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by phatmatress777 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:52 pm

Nicholas wrote:
JCB1977 wrote:
Nicholas wrote:
JCB1977 wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:I always wondered in the season 4 of the sopranos when Paulie was locked up in Youngstown lockup he was out there seein a friend named Lenny got busted with a .38 under the seat from a unsolved homicide from 8 years ago... I always wondered if that was a little homage to strollo from sopranos writers


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The name Paulie used in the Sopranos was 'Lenny Scortise.' I know for a fact that when Tony Sirico was in Youngstown for the filming of Ray Mancini's movie called Turn of Faith, he had dinner at the Fireplace Restaurant with Paulie Holawatick (Joey Naples Bodyguard/driver) and former bookmaker Sammy Vona. I'm sure Tony Sirico knew what had just transpired in Youngstown at that time...Plus, I know for a fact that he went with Ray Mancini down to Steubenville to visit the longtime home of Dino Crocetti aka Dean Martin. Ray Mancini is married to Tina Romeo, Paul Romeo Sr.'s granddaughter.
Where'd you hear this?
You from Youngstown Nicholas? You're oftly curious for an Orange County, CA resident
Nope! Never been to Ohio, but I've always had an interest in the smaller families
I'd say out of the smaller families Cleveland / Pittsburgh are very interesting, Kansas City, and Milwaukee along with St. Louis also have some very colorful characters that provide for a good read !


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Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by FriendofHenry » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:46 pm

You picked a duzzy :)

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by Nicholas » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:24 pm

JCB1977 wrote:
Nicholas wrote:
JCB1977 wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:I always wondered in the season 4 of the sopranos when Paulie was locked up in Youngstown lockup he was out there seein a friend named Lenny got busted with a .38 under the seat from a unsolved homicide from 8 years ago... I always wondered if that was a little homage to strollo from sopranos writers


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The name Paulie used in the Sopranos was 'Lenny Scortise.' I know for a fact that when Tony Sirico was in Youngstown for the filming of Ray Mancini's movie called Turn of Faith, he had dinner at the Fireplace Restaurant with Paulie Holawatick (Joey Naples Bodyguard/driver) and former bookmaker Sammy Vona. I'm sure Tony Sirico knew what had just transpired in Youngstown at that time...Plus, I know for a fact that he went with Ray Mancini down to Steubenville to visit the longtime home of Dino Crocetti aka Dean Martin. Ray Mancini is married to Tina Romeo, Paul Romeo Sr.'s granddaughter.
Where'd you hear this?
You from Youngstown Nicholas? You're oftly curious for an Orange County, CA resident
Nope! Never been to Ohio, but I've always had an interest in the smaller families

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by phatmatress777 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:19 am

FriendofHenry wrote:
Things were different in small town "Families" :)
yes they were... In the allegheny and mahoning valley the Mafia were viewed as a second govt... And everyone had connections like when people post charts and put in the "Altoona" faction they don't realize that Altoona is hours and well over a 100 miles from Pittsburgh... Like I said my dad had connections in Lakewood Ohio and I doubt he ever met a made man in his life... But so many were connected in so many ways... So many different ways... The Pittsburgh and Cleveland mobs operated very differently from the traditional New York Mafia. Almost more in the ways of the Chicago mob as in having territory bosses and lesser made men with tons and tons of associates.



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Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by JCB1977 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:10 am

Nicholas wrote:
JCB1977 wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:I always wondered in the season 4 of the sopranos when Paulie was locked up in Youngstown lockup he was out there seein a friend named Lenny got busted with a .38 under the seat from a unsolved homicide from 8 years ago... I always wondered if that was a little homage to strollo from sopranos writers


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The name Paulie used in the Sopranos was 'Lenny Scortise.' I know for a fact that when Tony Sirico was in Youngstown for the filming of Ray Mancini's movie called Turn of Faith, he had dinner at the Fireplace Restaurant with Paulie Holawatick (Joey Naples Bodyguard/driver) and former bookmaker Sammy Vona. I'm sure Tony Sirico knew what had just transpired in Youngstown at that time...Plus, I know for a fact that he went with Ray Mancini down to Steubenville to visit the longtime home of Dino Crocetti aka Dean Martin. Ray Mancini is married to Tina Romeo, Paul Romeo Sr.'s granddaughter.
Where'd you hear this?
You from Youngstown Nicholas? You're oftly curious for an Orange County, CA resident

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by JCB1977 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:09 am

FriendofFamily wrote:Let's just say a lot did happen in Northeast Ohio and it was known to a wide group of people who talked amonst themselves and people that were trusted.

They didn't broadcast it and it wasn't the Google age and cameras were very few.

If you did want something broadcast to a more general audience so you let certain things be known you had other people for that.

That way the general people would get in line and not upset the apple cart.

LOL...Yeah, Bertram de Souza! If you wanted anybody to know anything, send an email to Bert

Re: In the shadow of the Mob-Youngstown Documentary

by JCB1977 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:08 am

Nicholas wrote:
JCB1977 wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:I always wondered in the season 4 of the sopranos when Paulie was locked up in Youngstown lockup he was out there seein a friend named Lenny got busted with a .38 under the seat from a unsolved homicide from 8 years ago... I always wondered if that was a little homage to strollo from sopranos writers


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The name Paulie used in the Sopranos was 'Lenny Scortise.' I know for a fact that when Tony Sirico was in Youngstown for the filming of Ray Mancini's movie called Turn of Faith, he had dinner at the Fireplace Restaurant with Paulie Holawatick (Joey Naples Bodyguard/driver) and former bookmaker Sammy Vona. I'm sure Tony Sirico knew what had just transpired in Youngstown at that time...Plus, I know for a fact that he went with Ray Mancini down to Steubenville to visit the longtime home of Dino Crocetti aka Dean Martin. Ray Mancini is married to Tina Romeo, Paul Romeo Sr.'s granddaughter.
Where'd you hear this?
My family and the Romeo family are inter-related and Paulie Holawatick has lunch with my dad once a week at Crickets Bar, his son's joint. Plus, Tina Romeo Mancini showed us some pictures.

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