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Wiseguy wrote:

Rocco wrote:

Wiseguy wrote:

Rocco wrote:powerful Genovese crime family....? Really? I don't think that any of the remaining LCN families are really that powerful anymore. Yeah they make money and they are still around. But powerful how? They control interstate commerce? Nope they control politicians like they used to ? Nope They control unions like they used to? Nope. Without illegal sports gambling they would be seriously hurting. But hey I guess "powerful" sells papers..

Huh? Did blindman from the old RD board hack into your account, Rocco?

Yes, on one hand, all the NY families - including the Genovese - have declined. But them not having the power they did decades ago doesn't mean they're still not a force. And keep in mind that the head of the FBI’s criminal division in New York said in 2014 that the NY families had "quietly staged a comeback and were more powerful than they had been in years." I think that could be true as far back as the early 2000s but not the 1990s.

As for the Genovese family in particular...


"The Genovese family is now dominant. They remain a very powerful group. The Gambinos have dropped to Number 2. In the Genovese family, you really don't have that many defectors. They're still very entrenched in the unions and construction industry."
- Jack Garcia, former FBI agent (2011)


"They certainly have taken hits with the RICO statute but organized crime in the New York City area is alive and well. The Genovese family is a very, very strong family. They're the most efficient family because they're so secretive. People within the family don't even know who each other are. They are very disciplined in their criminal plots and they keep their hit teams small. Infilatration by law enforcement is very difficult. They continue to use violence to ensure compliance. We haven't had widespread disruption of the Genoveses like we had with the other families. Gigante's secrecy permeated the ranks and it still exists. If someone in the Genovese family slips up, they're dead before you know it."
- Dave Shafer, Head of FBI Organized Crime Program (2009)


"The Genovese family is the most secretive, criminally diverse, and powerful family in the country. Their power stems from control of unions and major industries."
- Michael Campi, FBI Organized Crime Dept. (2006)



You can also look at the indictments over the last decade. In addition to still controlling the largest bookmaking and loansharking operations in New York/New Jersey, the family had been involved in cases involving the ILA and waterfront industry, the garbage and demolition industry, the construction and trucking industries including unions like the Journeymen & Allied Trades and Bricklayers, the Newspaper Union, the Food & Commercial Workers Union, the Public Employees Union, etc.

I am aware of all that. Compared to what they were they are no longer that powerful. They no longer control nationwide union locals and interstate commerce. They control union locals centralized in the north east tri-state area. I don't need all the quotes and research wiseguy I am well aware. Just merely pointing out that Newspapers like to portray LCN is more then what they really are today. Their control of unions today is a fraction of what it was in the glory days of the 50's 60's an 70's. The papers play off that era to sell papers today. Just like the mob its self lives off their reputation of the past. The mob no longer stuffs bodies into trunks on a weekly or monthly basis like the old days. They merely issue threats and live of the their past reputation. FACT without illegal gambling they would be hurting today as their control of specific union locals in the tristate area would not be enough to sustain them. Out of the 5 dwindling LCN families in NY..Yes the Genovese family is more then likely the most powerful. But as powerful as he newspapers prop them up to be. Far from it

From what I've seen for years now, the media tends to go the other way far more often, i.e. saying the mob is dead or nearly so.

Rocco wrote:

Wiseguy wrote:

Rocco wrote:powerful Genovese crime family....? Really? I don't think that any of the remaining LCN families are really that powerful anymore. Yeah they make money and they are still around. But powerful how? They control interstate commerce? Nope they control politicians like they used to ? Nope They control unions like they used to? Nope. Without illegal sports gambling they would be seriously hurting. But hey I guess "powerful" sells papers..

Huh? Did blindman from the old RD board hack into your account, Rocco?

Yes, on one hand, all the NY families - including the Genovese - have declined. But them not having the power they did decades ago doesn't mean they're still not a force. And keep in mind that the head of the FBI’s criminal division in New York said in 2014 that the NY families had "quietly staged a comeback and were more powerful than they had been in years." I think that could be true as far back as the early 2000s but not the 1990s.

As for the Genovese family in particular...


"The Genovese family is now dominant. They remain a very powerful group. The Gambinos have dropped to Number 2. In the Genovese family, you really don't have that many defectors. They're still very entrenched in the unions and construction industry."
- Jack Garcia, former FBI agent (2011)


"They certainly have taken hits with the RICO statute but organized crime in the New York City area is alive and well. The Genovese family is a very, very strong family. They're the most efficient family because they're so secretive. People within the family don't even know who each other are. They are very disciplined in their criminal plots and they keep their hit teams small. Infilatration by law enforcement is very difficult. They continue to use violence to ensure compliance. We haven't had widespread disruption of the Genoveses like we had with the other families. Gigante's secrecy permeated the ranks and it still exists. If someone in the Genovese family slips up, they're dead before you know it."
- Dave Shafer, Head of FBI Organized Crime Program (2009)


"The Genovese family is the most secretive, criminally diverse, and powerful family in the country. Their power stems from control of unions and major industries."
- Michael Campi, FBI Organized Crime Dept. (2006)



You can also look at the indictments over the last decade. In addition to still controlling the largest bookmaking and loansharking operations in New York/New Jersey, the family had been involved in cases involving the ILA and waterfront industry, the garbage and demolition industry, the construction and trucking industries including unions like the Journeymen & Allied Trades and Bricklayers, the Newspaper Union, the Food & Commercial Workers Union, the Public Employees Union, etc.

I am aware of all that. Compared to what they were they are no longer that powerful. They no longer control nationwide union locals and interstate commerce. They control union locals centralized in the north east tri-state area. I don't need all the quotes and research wiseguy I am well aware. Just merely pointing out that Newspapers like to portray LCN is more then what they really are today. Their control of unions today is a fraction of what it was in the glory days of the 50's 60's an 70's. The papers play off that era to sell papers today. Just like the mob its self lives off their reputation of the past. The mob no longer stuffs bodies into trunks on a weekly or monthly basis like the old days. They merely issue threats and live of the their past reputation. FACT without illegal gambling they would be hurting today as their control of specific union locals in the tristate area would not be enough to sustain them. Out of the 5 dwindling LCN families in NY..Yes the Genovese family is more then likely the most powerful. But as powerful as he newspapers prop them up to be. Far from it

Wiseguy wrote:

Rocco wrote:powerful Genovese crime family....? Really? I don't think that any of the remaining LCN families are really that powerful anymore. Yeah they make money and they are still around. But powerful how? They control interstate commerce? Nope they control politicians like they used to ? Nope They control unions like they used to? Nope. Without illegal sports gambling they would be seriously hurting. But hey I guess "powerful" sells papers..

Huh? Did blindman from the old RD board hack into your account, Rocco?

Yes, on one hand, all the NY families - including the Genovese - have declined. But them not having the power they did decades ago doesn't mean they're still not a force. And keep in mind that the head of the FBI’s criminal division in New York said in 2014 that the NY families had "quietly staged a comeback and were more powerful than they had been in years." I think that could be true as far back as the early 2000s but not the 1990s.

As for the Genovese family in particular...


"The Genovese family is now dominant. They remain a very powerful group. The Gambinos have dropped to Number 2. In the Genovese family, you really don't have that many defectors. They're still very entrenched in the unions and construction industry."
- Jack Garcia, former FBI agent (2011)


"They certainly have taken hits with the RICO statute but organized crime in the New York City area is alive and well. The Genovese family is a very, very strong family. They're the most efficient family because they're so secretive. People within the family don't even know who each other are. They are very disciplined in their criminal plots and they keep their hit teams small. Infilatration by law enforcement is very difficult. They continue to use violence to ensure compliance. We haven't had widespread disruption of the Genoveses like we had with the other families. Gigante's secrecy permeated the ranks and it still exists. If someone in the Genovese family slips up, they're dead before you know it."
- Dave Shafer, Head of FBI Organized Crime Program (2009)


"The Genovese family is the most secretive, criminally diverse, and powerful family in the country. Their power stems from control of unions and major industries."
- Michael Campi, FBI Organized Crime Dept. (2006)



You can also look at the indictments over the last decade. In addition to still controlling the largest bookmaking and loansharking operations in New York/New Jersey, the family had been involved in cases involving the ILA and waterfront industry, the garbage and demolition industry, the construction and trucking industries including unions like the Journeymen & Allied Trades and Bricklayers, the Newspaper Union, the Food & Commercial Workers Union, the Public Employees Union, etc.

NickyEyes1 wrote:

willychichi wrote:

DonnieB wrote:Anthony Mascuzzio's father in law is Steven Arena( genovese).

Thanks Donnie

Phones ringing dude.

willychichi wrote:

DonnieB wrote:Anthony Mascuzzio's father in law is Steven Arena( genovese).

Thanks Donnie

DonnieB wrote:Anthony Mascuzzio's father in law is Steven Arena( genovese).

Soliai wrote:

Wiseguy wrote:

AG777 wrote:Sometimes I think Wiseguy was left on the front steps of one the Temples of the LDS as a baby by Maria Concetta Buonoventi di Barafonte. He has more love for the Luciano/Genovese than we Italian-Americans do
Ha ha I'm just busting you Wiseguy but you sure do vouche for them. You have to admit it! It's more than just stating facts.

You know, one or two people have said this before and I've never understood it. This may come as a surprise but I don't get a stipend from the Genovese family for talking about them. What I said was simply stating the facts, no more or less. And even then it's not really me saying anything. It's law enforcement and recent cases saying it.

I'm not trying to argue with you nor am I trying to debate you on this. I can't explain it, but it does come off as you rooting for them, even though I know you aren't.......Soliai

Wiseguy wrote:

AG777 wrote:Sometimes I think Wiseguy was left on the front steps of one the Temples of the LDS as a baby by Maria Concetta Buonoventi di Barafonte. He has more love for the Luciano/Genovese than we Italian-Americans do
Ha ha I'm just busting you Wiseguy but you sure do vouche for them. You have to admit it! It's more than just stating facts.

You know, one or two people have said this before and I've never understood it. This may come as a surprise but I don't get a stipend from the Genovese family for talking about them. What I said was simply stating the facts, no more or less. And even then it's not really me saying anything. It's law enforcement and recent cases saying it.

AG777 wrote:Sometimes I think Wiseguy was left on the front steps of one the Temples of the LDS as a baby by Maria Concetta Buonoventi di Barafonte. He has more love for the Luciano/Genovese than we Italian-Americans do
Ha ha I'm just busting you Wiseguy but you sure do vouche for them. You have to admit it! It's more than just stating facts.

Rocco wrote:powerful Genovese crime family....? Really? I don't think that any of the remaining LCN families are really that powerful anymore. Yeah they make money and they are still around. But powerful how? They control interstate commerce? Nope they control politicians like they used to ? Nope They control unions like they used to? Nope. Without illegal sports gambling they would be seriously hurting. But hey I guess "powerful" sells papers..