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Re: Lucchese Family size

by AlexfromSouth » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:57 pm

BillyBrizzi wrote:
AlexfromSouth wrote:this is of topic, and i'm sorry in front but was Corallo sicilian or what? Can't find that last ame anywhere
The name is by far the most prevalent on Sicily: http://www.italianames.com/italian-names-maps/CORALLO


Thank you very much I couldnt find that kind of thing..Thank you once again.
Is it know what area of east harlem was he from?Found somewhere that there were a lot of sicilians around east 107th st...where the lucchese's whe HQ.

Re: Lucchese Family size

by Wiseguy » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:43 pm

InCamelot wrote:
brianwellbrock wrote:Yeah a reason why I brought this up is because it seems the Luccheses had evolved the most. The Colombos were primarily a Brooklyn family that only decreased in power since the 60's. The Bonnanos never got into the white collar rackets amd have stayed very insular.
In fact didn't Joe Massino say about the labour rackets something to the effect of "let's not do anymore of that. we don't need to get into that"
He told his guys to stay out of the gas tax scam. But they were involved in the stock scams. He also said something to the effect of "We really have nothing to do with the unions." Which was mostly true, at least relative to the other families.

Re: Lucchese Family size

by BillyBrizzi » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:38 pm

AlexfromSouth wrote:this is of topic, and i'm sorry in front but was Corallo sicilian or what? Can't find that last ame anywhere
The name is by far the most prevalent on Sicily: http://www.italianames.com/italian-names-maps/CORALLO

Re: Lucchese Family size

by AlexfromSouth » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:27 pm

this is of topic, and i'm sorry in front but was Corallo sicilian or what? Can't find that last ame anywhere

Re: Lucchese Family size

by Angelo Santino » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:09 am

It's kinda hard to make any definitive statement regarding Gagliano because there's so little known about him. We have the snippet of Valachi, Bonanno and maybe one or two other references but it's a very small amount considering he had a 20 year run as Boss and quite possibly been involved for a long time before that. Prior to Casso/Amuso that network appears to be quite stable but who's really to say? Not to sound like Thom but if a woman's mobster husband is a Lucchese member and she's too fucking dull to realize that, is he truly a Lucchese mobster? And Pic's a made guy!

Re: Lucchese Family size

by Wiseguy » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:04 pm

brianwellbrock wrote:Ironically Massino went to prison for labor racketeering.

Re the Lucchese Family Defede said that the Luccheses were only pulling in 6 mil a year when he was AB. Was that the money that was turned in to the administration?
Yeah that was IBT Local 814 (movers union), one of the few labor interests the Bonannos had at that point.

It's not that the family has never been involved in the unions. They were involved in the garment center early on.
Then the Local 814 case years later. More recently you had the Bonanno case involving IBT Local 917. And there's been some construction companies with Bonanno ties.

But it seems the other families took advantage of of Joe Bonanno getting ousted to edge the family out of most labor rackets afterwards.

Re: Lucchese Family size

by Rocco » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:57 pm

brianwellbrock wrote:Ironically Massino went to prison for labor racketeering.

Re the Lucchese Family Defede said that the Luccheses were only pulling in 6 mil a year when he was AB. Was that the money that was turned in to the administration?
That's the $$ that was handed to him by the Capo's when he was acting boss. Remember some of those Capo's probably all started giving him less when he became acting boss. And I think he was marked for death because Crea was giving Admin twice as much so they thought DeFede was stealing...lol The Capo's prob just didn't respect DeFede and didn't give him shit. The NJ Luchese crew in 2007 grossed 2.2Billion in bets in 15months. Which means they netted min 4% ($88million) which was split up amongst everyone in the crew and the Admin in NY. Even when factoring in todays money VS 1990s money. DeFede was getting screwed by his capo's which was why he was marked for death. Also during that time the Feds were leaning hard on the family and their rackets because of Casso's lack of mental control. So with that said...maybe DeFede was telling the truth. I think the Capo's were robbing him though.

Re: Lucchese Family size

by Rocco » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:55 pm

InCamelot wrote:
brianwellbrock wrote:Yeah a reason why I brought this up is because it seems the Luccheses had evolved the most. The Colombos were primarily a Brooklyn family that only decreased in power since the 60's. The Bonnanos never got into the white collar rackets amd have stayed very insular.
In fact didn't Joe Massino say about the labour rackets something to the effect of "let's not do anymore of that. we don't need to get into that"
Bonanno's, Colombo's and Lucheses's all moved into white collar crime. Stock Fraud , Mortgage Fraud , Gas Tax etc Even the DeCAv's were big into white collar stuff. Only family that hasn't evolved is the Philly Fam. They are a small family and is probably why the limited income from the Bookmaking, joker machines , loan sharking and drugs has been enough to sustain them.

Re: Lucchese Family size

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:17 pm

brianwellbrock wrote:Re the Lucchese Family Defede said that the Luccheses were only pulling in 6 mil a year when he was AB. Was that the money that was turned in to the administration?

I'm sure that was only the money that was kicked up to them (adjusted for inflation that would be about 10 million now). The family really imploded in the early/mid 90s with most of their active members going away and them losing most of their big money rackets (garment center, garbage, airport). Their construction rackes also took a big hit. So it is believable that their earnings were in the toilet during this period.


Pogo

Re: Lucchese Family size

by brianwellbrock » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:06 am

Ironically Massino went to prison for labor racketeering.

Re the Lucchese Family Defede said that the Luccheses were only pulling in 6 mil a year when he was AB. Was that the money that was turned in to the administration?

Re: Lucchese Family size

by Wiseguy » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:18 am

InCamelot wrote:In fact didn't Joe Massino say about the labour rackets something to the effect of "let's not do anymore of that. we don't need to get into that"
He said that about the Bonannos not getting into the gas tax scam. But he also said at another time "We really have nothing to do with the unions" or something to that effect.

Re: Lucchese Family size

by Rocco » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:08 am

I think they are small but they are a very wealthy family always have been. Think that they have profited in clout and wealth due to their longstanding close relationship with the Genovese Family. The Bronx area crews and the little Italy area crews of these two families... going back 50yrs have always been close. I think allot of Genovese people were angry when Buddy Luongo got hit. Especially the Bronx guys.

Re: Lucchese Family size

by InCamelot » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:52 am

brianwellbrock wrote:Yeah a reason why I brought this up is because it seems the Luccheses had evolved the most. The Colombos were primarily a Brooklyn family that only decreased in power since the 60's. The Bonnanos never got into the white collar rackets amd have stayed very insular.
In fact didn't Joe Massino say about the labour rackets something to the effect of "let's not do anymore of that. we don't need to get into that"

Re: Lucchese Family size

by brianwellbrock » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:00 am

InCamelot wrote:It seems like the Genovese value sophistication and the Americanization of the criminal organization, but also secrecy, structure, rules, and a relative selflessness as well. Such as the duty to step up and help with ruling panels.

With the Lucchese's their leaders always struck me as folks who were good with purely business. For the most part at least. Even consigliere's like Vincent Rao, it was noted that he was particularly good with money laundering. Its interesting.
Yeah a reason why I brought this up is because it seems the Luccheses had evolved the most. The Colombos were primarily a Brooklyn family that only decreased in power since the 60's. The Bonnanos never got into the white collar rackets amd have stayed very insular. The Gambinos and Genovese have always been powerful and its stayed that way.

Corallo and Santoro were junk guys in their younger days and became big into labor. The family also seemed to have expanded their territory into Queens and Brooklyn and L.I. post war maybe. Seems like at some point they were what the Colombos are now as far as spheres of influence and the Bonnanos are, a family with not much sophistication and left them in their rearview.

Re: Lucchese Family size

by brianwellbrock » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:53 am

HairyKnuckles wrote:The Lucchese Family was small in size. But don´t understimate Tommy Lucchese. He had an enormous clout and was an integral part on the Commission. Size dosen´t always matter.
Tell that to my ex gf :lol:

Yeah I was going to come on here and correct my posts. I did some further reading on what I have and it seems Lucchese actually did a lot of expanding after he took over. It still seems to me that pre-1950's the Gagliano Family was more or less a Bronx-East Harlem Family with a Jersey crew that kept to themselves other than dealing with their Genovese cousins in said territories.

The things that seemed to push them past the Colombos and Bonnanos is that They didnt have the 1960's turmoil that the other two had and continued to have. Which during that time they expanded into more white collar rackets. They seem to be post 1930's the only family that didnt have internal strife barring the Buddy Luongo indicent and the early 90's.

So than what was their scope during Gaglianos time? Im not saying the weakest but the least active or involved in the grand scheme of things?

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