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It was a philly thing bc of the pagans club down there but heroin is pa's bread and butter on the western side there is barely any meth at all


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What about the crystal meth business? I know Pennsylvania has a lot of that but its not so much a philly thing is it?

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Cheech, he also had things going on in Delaware (seems like everybody has a hand in that pot) and Bucks county, I know he had a nice book going on there. I know he was involved in coke, but I'm not sure if that extended into the burbs too.

[quote="Chucky"]Well Mazzone was laying low outside of that christmas party shit, he's had only been out of prison for three years by that point and was on supervised release the whole time. I thought it was shit because somehow Nicodemo, who ended up burying himself, wasn't pinched when he was making more moves than anybody and was throwing his weight around everywhere, even the burbs.[/quote]


even the burbs? what was he doing shaking everyone down or selling coke?

[quote="Chucky"]Staino was kicked out of local 54 in '91, not long before shit hit the fan with Merlino and Stanfa, so maybe it was right after that where linked up Merlino and his people? But yeah he's been around a while. He must have had some relationship with Scarfo's people given who his uncle was and his position in local 54.[/quote]

Yeah, not sure what his relationship is/was like with his uncle and whether it helped his standing. Junior Staino was almost a constant source of petty trouble in the 1980s even after everyone went to prison and not a word has been said about him since he got out of prison. It seems that Scarfo took Staino's side in his beef with the Grandes, though. Despite being a troublemaker it seems like Staino had respect for being an unshakable hoodlum.

here is Damon's indictment. chucky, great topic
http://www.mediafire.com/download/s23ffn63f8jj3ay/Damon.pdf

I don't know what Grande would do personally, don't know enough about him. I don't think he's aging that fast though, I had a bunch gray hair by 26, so for a 30-something to have a lot of gray hair isn't uncommon. He should drop some weight though, still young enough where it should come off.

If the feds thought Borgesi would roll, they're certifiable, and Canalichio really got nailed at that trial...not guilty for everything, but guilty on the conspiracy charge.

All that work the state was doing to get him got thrown out the window on that one. You were right he didnt roll. How do you feel about Grande if he got caught? Hes a real young guy and he looks to be aging fast.

The feds fucked up the past 10 years where they had a real good shot of wiping them out. 2012-13 was a real intetesting time. The feds had a lot of shots that they missed. It seems theyfwere hoping on either-or Borgesi and Canalichio to roll, which I dont see why theyd think Borgesi would. Nicodemo obviously was a separate thing at first than the feds probably saw a godsend of having him fuck up like that.

Yeah I mentioned that a couple years ago, I've known a guy in the 1st district for years and he said the state had a big gambling & drug case directed at him. He had the most juice on the street at that time other than Ligambi, hands down, not including Mazzone or John Chang because of their restrictions, but he and Grande had their hands in everything and Nicodemo was a stone killer.

I said it at the time he wouldn't roll, the guy is as tough as they come. Canalichio and him were cut from the same cloth, both were very close to Mazzone when they were coming up.

Yeah that was a little surprising too. Seems like they didnt focus too much on him and Lance. But you mentioned once that the state police were putting a case on Nicodemo before the 2012 hit? I know theyre kicking themselves because he served himself up on a platter to them and they still didnt get him to roll.

I assume in early 13 the feds and staties were at the jail regularly asking to speak with him ready to offer him something. I know Nicodemo is a tough SOB but it seems like the feds were hoping to bury Canalichio and thinking hed roll first. It was a big chess game and the feds kept getting stalemated.

Well Mazzone was laying low outside of that christmas party shit, he's had only been out of prison for three years by that point and was on supervised release the whole time. I thought it was shit because somehow Nicodemo, who ended up burying himself, wasn't pinched when he was making more moves than anybody and was throwing his weight around everywhere, even the burbs.

By the time case went to trial it seems all the rats and bugs and taps were 7-8 years old already. A jury this day and age wont convict with that. Looking in retrospect you knew that indictment was weak when Mazzone wasnt added to it. Staino seems to be a shrewd guy going from high lev legit work to the mob.

Staino was kicked out of local 54 in '91, not long before shit hit the fan with Merlino and Stanfa, so maybe it was right after that where linked up Merlino and his people? But yeah he's been around a while. He must have had some relationship with Scarfo's people given who his uncle was and his position in local 54.

Staino became one of Ligambi's top guys and I would connect him with Ligambi above all else, but he was with the Merlino group in the mid-90s before Ligambi got out of prison. I don't know what role he played during the Stanfa war, though from that transcript it sounds like he was with the Merlino guys at that time.

A bunch of Scarfo guys got out during that time as well and yeah, the indictment was ready to go by January 2011, but they held off til May of that year.