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Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by B. » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:59 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote:
B. wrote:However, there is reason to believe that other families, at least the Gambinos, were aware of and condoned/supported the murder.

Yeah didn't the Genovese family reach out to Joe Bonanno in Arizona to tell him the hit was going down and not try to make any play of his own? Also I could have sworn that the Colombos were approached and Persico was against killing Galante.


Pogo
Persico's cousin-in-law DeChristopher testified that Persico claimed to have been against the Galante murder, but even if that's true I don't think he specifically said anything about being on the Commission or a boss at that time, only that he was against it. Of course he was a powerful leader believed to be pulling the strings behind DiBella, but as we know he wasn't the boss in 1979. It is an indication that maybe the Colombo leadership as a whole was against the murder, though.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:57 am

B. wrote:However, there is reason to believe that other families, at least the Gambinos, were aware of and condoned/supported the murder.

Yeah didn't the Genovese family reach out to Joe Bonanno in Arizona to tell him the hit was going down and not try to make any play of his own? Also I could have sworn that the Colombos were approached and Persico was against killing Galante.


Pogo

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by B. » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:11 am

I agree with all of that. Persico and Furnari were not Commission members at the time of the Galante murder, and there isn't concrete evidence (no pun intended... i.e. Concrete Club) that proves the Commission issued the Galante contract.

However, there is reason to believe that other families, at least the Gambinos, were aware of and condoned/supported the murder.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by HairyKnuckles » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:29 am

willychichi wrote:Persico Appeal Raises Serious Questions About "Mafia Commission" Case's Validity

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2017/02/p ... .html#more
Thanks for posting Wiily.

"Persico's lawyers are attempting to get Persico re-sentenced by essentially arguing that:

Carmine Persico was not the boss of the Colombo crime family at the time alleged in the Commission Case indictment; Gregory Scarpa had named at least three other Colombo mobsters as boss of the Colombo crime family when the Commission Case crimes reportedly occurred."

- Something that stands out to me is this:

"Separately, in interviews with this blog [Cosa Nostra news], attorney Mat Mari noted that supporting this new motion are FBI 302s based on information provided by former Bonanno boss Joseph Massino, who flipped following his own conviction in a major murder and racketeering trial.

There was no Commission meeting to determine the fate of Carmine Galante, Massino told the FBI, which detailed his comments on 302s, the form used by FBI agents to report or summarize interviews with certain sources.

Known as Lilo, Galante was a former Bonanno capo slain by three gunmen in broad daylight in 1979.

In fact, the Galante murder was in-house Bonanno business, Massino told FBI agents.

Bonanno boss Philip (Rusty) Rastelli simply ordered the murder of Galante, Massino told the FBI."

- Not meaning to derail the thread, but this is exactly what I have been suspecting for years now. That Galante was killed simply due to a power struggle within the Bonannos.

JD, are these 302s (mentioned above) within your recent findings on the Bonannos? If so, is there more detailed information regarding the Galante murder?

And btw, Persico´s lawyers are right. He should not have been convicted in the Galante murder. He should have been convicted in any of the other dozen or so murders he ordered, but not in this one.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by willychichi » Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:09 am

Persico Appeal Raises Serious Questions About "Mafia Commission" Case's Validity

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2017/02/p ... .html#more

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by Rocco » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:07 am

The only reason they are saying its mob related is because the shooter was a white guy. That's all they got and went with the mob angle. If it is mob related it will come out eventually.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by B. » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:54 am

Rocco wrote:
johnny_scootch wrote:
B. wrote:
johnny_scootch wrote:Unrelated and not to sidetrack the thread but the owner of L & B spumoni gardens was shot and killed outside his house on 76 and 12 in Dyker a few hours ago.
That'd be Frank Guerra's father-in-law, right?
Lou Barbati, I'm not sure if he's the father in law or not.
No Guerra's former brother inlaw who was killed. To early to tell if it was mob related. From what I know of it. The Barbati's were not happy about being dragged into some extortion racket of Guerra's. The whole thing was some bullshit Idea of Guerra's to make money off extorting the SI restaurant. I have been told that the Barbati's did NOT ask Guerra to do anything as they are totally legit people from what I am told. Of course that could be bullshit too. But if they were mob associates there would be a history there because the place has been around forever. Remember this is how these mob associates make money by finding an angle to extort someone.
His former father-in-law was the previous owner then.

Will be interesting to see what comes of this. The initial news reports I read said it was definitely OC related so maybe they have some information or good reason to believe that, aside from the fact that this guy was connected to mob guys and killed "gangland style".

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by Rocco » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:48 am

johnny_scootch wrote:
B. wrote:
johnny_scootch wrote:Unrelated and not to sidetrack the thread but the owner of L & B spumoni gardens was shot and killed outside his house on 76 and 12 in Dyker a few hours ago.
That'd be Frank Guerra's father-in-law, right?
Lou Barbati, I'm not sure if he's the father in law or not.
No Guerra's former brother inlaw who was killed. To early to tell if it was mob related. From what I know of it. The Barbati's were not happy about being dragged into some extortion racket of Guerra's. The whole thing was some bullshit Idea of Guerra's to make money off extorting the SI restaurant. I have been told that the Barbati's did NOT ask Guerra to do anything as they are totally legit people from what I am told. Of course that could be bullshit too. But if they were mob associates there would be a history there because the place has been around forever. Remember this is how these mob associates make money by finding an angle to extort someone.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by johnny_scootch » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:50 am

A friend of a friend was one of the paramedics on the scene. He said he got hit 4 times in the back and once in the neck.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by Lupara » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:31 am

Sucks to be Persico.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by B. » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:18 pm

johnny_scootch wrote:
B. wrote:
johnny_scootch wrote:Unrelated and not to sidetrack the thread but the owner of L & B spumoni gardens was shot and killed outside his house on 76 and 12 in Dyker a few hours ago.
That'd be Frank Guerra's father-in-law, right?
Lou Barbati, I'm not sure if he's the father in law or not.
His wife's (might be ex) family are the owners which is why Guerra was involved in that beef with the former L&B employee who stole the sauce recipe a few years back. No idea if it's his wife's father, on second thought, maybe just relatives.

The reports are saying it was definitely "organized crime related." The suspect is a white male in his 30s.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by johnny_scootch » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:20 pm

B. wrote:
johnny_scootch wrote:Unrelated and not to sidetrack the thread but the owner of L & B spumoni gardens was shot and killed outside his house on 76 and 12 in Dyker a few hours ago.
That'd be Frank Guerra's father-in-law, right?
Lou Barbati, I'm not sure if he's the father in law or not.

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by Cheech » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:19 pm

ED Scarpo just wrote anpbout this Spata

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by B. » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:40 pm

johnny_scootch wrote:Unrelated and not to sidetrack the thread but the owner of L & B spumoni gardens was shot and killed outside his house on 76 and 12 in Dyker a few hours ago.
That'd be Frank Guerra's father-in-law, right?

Re: Gangland:6/30/16

by johnny_scootch » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:11 pm

Unrelated and not to sidetrack the thread but the owner of L & B spumoni gardens was shot and killed outside his house on 76 and 12 in Dyker a few hours ago.

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