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Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:32 am

Somebody told the Gambinos that the DeCavalcantes weren't pricking guys' fingers or burning the saint cards. Some suspected it was John D'Amato who told Gotti given their close relationship while Vinny Palermo suspected it was Danny Annunziata, who was already falling into disfavor with the Family. The members made in the 1970s and 80s all had to be re-inducted. I'm not sure if the members made in the 1950s and earlier had actually gone through the full traditional ceremony either but it may have been long enough in the past that they were able to get around the issue since nobody could claim otherwise.

They make anybody and everybody over there. And the way that they do it, it's all fucked up. Guys don't get their finger pricked. There's no sword and gun on the table. Either it has meaning or no meaning.


Pogo

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by B. » Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:14 pm

No worries man. All that "Mob Candy Magazine" stuff was ridiculous but the DiMatteos really did know all of the guys from that part of Brooklyn.

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by JakeTheSnake630 » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:31 am

Sorry B I must have missed your reply. Thanks for saying it again.

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by B. » Wed Mar 19, 2025 4:13 pm

Like I said in the other thread, the DiMatteos were indeed close to the Rotondos going way back. I don't know whether Frank was truly "with" Rotondo but I also don't have reason to doubt it. Both of their fathers had been close as well and they'd been around Colombo guys early on, etc.

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by JakeTheSnake630 » Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:17 am

B. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:24 am
JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 10:08 am I didn't see it but apologies if this has been asked in this thread. What was wrong with the Decav inductions? Why did Riggi allow himself and the family to be controlled by Gotti?
Somebody told the Gambinos that the DeCavalcantes weren't pricking guys' fingers or burning the saint cards. Some suspected it was John D'Amato who told Gotti given their close relationship while Vinny Palermo suspected it was Danny Annunziata, who was already falling into disfavor with the Family. The members made in the 1970s and 80s all had to be re-inducted. I'm not sure if the members made in the 1950s and earlier had actually gone through the full traditional ceremony either but it may have been long enough in the past that they were able to get around the issue since nobody could claim otherwise.

This was around the time Gotti was making power moves all around NYC-NJ.

- He spread word that Carmine Persico was essentially a rat for his conduct during the Commission trial and backed Vic Orena to officially take over.
- He was allegedly backing Allie Malangone to kill Gigante and take over according to the Campi book.
- He allegedly plotted with Sal Vitale to overthrow and kill Massino according to info Massino got from George Sciascia and Barney Bellomo.
- I'm not aware of any plots to overthrow Amuso but Ruggiero tried to have Casso killed although he supposedly did this on his own.

Then the move against the DeCavalcantes started with the Jimmy Rotondo murder (apparently not ordered by Gotti) where the Gambinos sent a huge number of members and associates to the funeral and Gotti told Riggi he would be taking direction from him. Gotti was cultivating a close relationship with NYC DeCavalcante captain John D'Amato and when Jimmy Palermo was taken down as underboss, Gotti supposedly pushed for D'Amato as the new underboss. Then when Riggi went to prison D'Amato became acting boss and according to Anthony Rotondo, D'Amato was attempting to usurp control of the Family from Riggi and become official boss with Gotti's backing which was one reason for D'Amato's murder in addition to him borrowing large amounts of money from the NYC Families for his own purposes and the alleged homosexual conduct.
Thanks for the reply B. I never heard about the plot on Massino. I thought John and Joe were close allies. Didn't Gotti lobby to have them placed back on the commission? Then if Vic Orena took over the Colombo's they would have the majority. It's ironic how Gotti tried to act like he was by the book. I guess the Decavs were small enough and captivated by Gotti's charisma that they just fell in line with what he wanted? I asked this in the other thread about Rotundo's death, I believe Frank Dimetteo said he was with Anthony Rotundo. Is this true or just another author who acts like he was in the life to give him more credibility and sell more books?

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by SonnyBlackstein » Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:52 pm

Great post B!

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by B. » Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:24 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 10:08 am I didn't see it but apologies if this has been asked in this thread. What was wrong with the Decav inductions? Why did Riggi allow himself and the family to be controlled by Gotti?
Somebody told the Gambinos that the DeCavalcantes weren't pricking guys' fingers or burning the saint cards. Some suspected it was John D'Amato who told Gotti given their close relationship while Vinny Palermo suspected it was Danny Annunziata, who was already falling into disfavor with the Family. The members made in the 1970s and 80s all had to be re-inducted. I'm not sure if the members made in the 1950s and earlier had actually gone through the full traditional ceremony either but it may have been long enough in the past that they were able to get around the issue since nobody could claim otherwise.

This was around the time Gotti was making power moves all around NYC-NJ.

- He spread word that Carmine Persico was essentially a rat for his conduct during the Commission trial and backed Vic Orena to officially take over.
- He was allegedly backing Allie Malangone to kill Gigante and take over according to the Campi book.
- He allegedly plotted with Sal Vitale to overthrow and kill Massino according to info Massino got from George Sciascia and Barney Bellomo.
- I'm not aware of any plots to overthrow Amuso but Ruggiero tried to have Casso killed although he supposedly did this on his own.

Then the move against the DeCavalcantes started with the Jimmy Rotondo murder (apparently not ordered by Gotti) where the Gambinos sent a huge number of members and associates to the funeral and Gotti told Riggi he would be taking direction from him. Gotti was cultivating a close relationship with NYC DeCavalcante captain John D'Amato and when Jimmy Palermo was taken down as underboss, Gotti supposedly pushed for D'Amato as the new underboss. Then when Riggi went to prison D'Amato became acting boss and according to Anthony Rotondo, D'Amato was attempting to usurp control of the Family from Riggi and become official boss with Gotti's backing which was one reason for D'Amato's murder in addition to him borrowing large amounts of money from the NYC Families for his own purposes and the alleged homosexual conduct.

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by JakeTheSnake630 » Tue Mar 18, 2025 10:08 am

I didn't see it but apologies if this has been asked in this thread. What was wrong with the Decav inductions? Why did Riggi allow himself and the family to be controlled by Gotti?

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by Nurzhamba » Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:26 am

Good post!

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by TallGuy19 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:21 am

Do you have a link to his full testimony?

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by newera_212 » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:14 pm

B. wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:08 pmBump for newera.
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Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by B. » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:08 pm

Bump for newera.

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

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Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by B. » Tue May 17, 2016 1:14 pm

Stango's words while discussing street boss "Milk" (believed by some to have been the recently deceased Frank Guarraci, a Ribera immigrant):

CS: ...Milk's family was the root of the tree.
UC: Really?
CS: Oh he started this whole thing. It's been around a while now. See his uncle the underboss of consiglieres since the beginning of time. They come right from Sicily to here.
UC: Yeah.
CS: This is sii ... okay this proves he's the oldest crew in the country. They start, they originated the five families. Okay?
UC: Right.
CS: And now we run under the f**kin' Gambinos.

Stango doesn't come across very convincing, but here he is saying they are the "oldest crew in the country" and, like D'Arco, saying that New York split off from them. Like Rotondo's testimony I posted earlier, the fact that they were forced under the Gambinos seems to have been a sore point for them because of their early history in the US.

The indictment also says about this conversation: "In that conversation, the UC and STANGO discussed the membership, structure and history of the DCF. A part of that recorded conversation set forth below confirms much of the information developed about the DCF."

Re: Anthony Rotondo 2005 cross-examination

by Angelo Santino » Tue May 17, 2016 1:08 pm

It would make more sense if they meant the DeCavalcantes were called the first Family in NJ state rather than the country. I just don't see how it's possible.

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