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Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by joeycigars » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:05 pm

JCB1977 wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:16 pm
Stroccos wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:30 am it appears the states case is slowly turning to shit. Remember the big display with all the mugshots, all the charges have been dropped agaisnt everyone except Carmine , his wife and Mccellean . Will be interesting to see if he actually goes to trial or not .
Any articles or documents about this? This case is fascinating
Article and documents....
http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/ ... ell_1.html

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Stroccos » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:54 pm

Jonkaro wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:09 pm Hello all. First time poster here. I don't know if I know anything you guys don't, but I have some thoughts.

That "big display with all the mugshots" included the individuals from the stolen car ring who brought investigators right to Carmine's supposed 'chop-shop.' Most of them were actually indicted in 2013 as a stolen car ring, and that arrest spurred the investigation into Carmine. No doubt about it that at least one of those guys introduced the UC to Eagle Auto after their arrest. The 2013 charges were dropped against those 7 or 8 individuals, but with the condition that they could be re-charged. I propose three possibilities for this: first, it could be a flimsy case. Second, it could be due to the investigation still being in progress and they might want to hit them with more charges. Third, the prosecution could be wanting some or all of these individuals to testify against Carmine. After all, the Agnellos and Alfred Mclairn are the real targets here. Mostly Carmine, though.
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Then a few others from that wall of mugshots, such as the Pappada couple, were arrested but never indicted. That leaves the possibility they too could still be charged.

My belief is there will be more relevant indictments, whether related to this investigation or a joining one, starting with Gambino associate Danny Fama, one of the 'New York guys' Agnello allegedly put the UC in contact with. It also turns out Sgt. Andy Ezzo, from Cleveland's environmental crimes task force and instrumental in the case against Carmine, is under investigation for possible "criminal and administrative" violations. Isn't clear whether the supposed violations are related to Carmine's case or something his lawyer may want to use to attack Ezzo's credibility at trial, but the info is out there, provided to the defense by the prosecution.

Since Carmine isn't even allowed to be in the scrap metal industry, there's a pretty easy conviction on the licensing felonies. His lawyer must be fighting tooth and nail to get any and every bit of evidence suppressed that he can, much of which was obtained through wiretap.

Mclairn, the employee at Ferrous Processing & Trading, allegedly scrapped $15,500 in vehicles provided by the UC. Likely they'll want him to take a plea first, which would include testifying against Carmine. And he has big incentive to do it: he's also facing charges for a stabbing.

It will be interesting particularly to learn the details on Cleveland's investigation into Ezzo.

Ah well, fugetaboutit.
all valid points ,

I dont think MCLAIRIN will flip here i just feel he would of done it already , He was arrested last summer for assualt, He took a steak knife away from a women and she got a minor cut in the scuffle. But due to the knife being in play he was charged with A felony. I think he would of already flipped. I head carmen is fronting his legal bills but i am not 100%, maybe he cuts a plea and nails carmen but why hasnt he done it yet? I agree with you the Agnello is the main target it will look really bad on the police and prosocuters if Agnello somehow beats this case.

You might be right if the feds step in and indict. but Fama is the guy the feds bungled that murder case agaisnt I doubt they would go after him with out super rock solid evidence. From I understand is he met with the UC but maybe he didnt take the bait or just was a social event. Will be interesting to find out though

Welcome to the board great information. Look forward to seeing more of your posts

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Jonkaro » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:09 pm

Hello all. First time poster here. I don't know if I know anything you guys don't, but I have some thoughts.

That "big display with all the mugshots" included the individuals from the stolen car ring who brought investigators right to Carmine's supposed 'chop-shop.' Most of them were actually indicted in 2013 as a stolen car ring, and that arrest spurred the investigation into Carmine. No doubt about it that at least one of those guys introduced the UC to Eagle Auto after their arrest. The 2013 charges were dropped against those 7 or 8 individuals, but with the condition that they could be re-charged. I propose three possibilities for this: first, it could be a flimsy case. Second, it could be due to the investigation still being in progress and they might want to hit them with more charges. Third, the prosecution could be wanting some or all of these individuals to testify against Carmine. After all, the Agnellos and Alfred Mclairn are the real targets here. Mostly Carmine, though.
.
Then a few others from that wall of mugshots, such as the Pappada couple, were arrested but never indicted. That leaves the possibility they too could still be charged.

My belief is there will be more relevant indictments, whether related to this investigation or a joining one, starting with Gambino associate Danny Fama, one of the 'New York guys' Agnello allegedly put the UC in contact with. It also turns out Sgt. Andy Ezzo, from Cleveland's environmental crimes task force and instrumental in the case against Carmine, is under investigation for possible "criminal and administrative" violations. Isn't clear whether the supposed violations are related to Carmine's case or something his lawyer may want to use to attack Ezzo's credibility at trial, but the info is out there, provided to the defense by the prosecution.

Since Carmine isn't even allowed to be in the scrap metal industry, there's a pretty easy conviction on the licensing felonies. His lawyer must be fighting tooth and nail to get any and every bit of evidence suppressed that he can, much of which was obtained through wiretap.

Mclairn, the employee at Ferrous Processing & Trading, allegedly scrapped $15,500 in vehicles provided by the UC. Likely they'll want him to take a plea first, which would include testifying against Carmine. And he has big incentive to do it: he's also facing charges for a stabbing.

It will be interesting particularly to learn the details on Cleveland's investigation into Ezzo.

Ah well, fugetaboutit.

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Stroccos » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:29 pm

JCB1977 wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:16 pm
Stroccos wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:30 am it appears the states case is slowly turning to shit. Remember the big display with all the mugshots, all the charges have been dropped agaisnt everyone except Carmine , his wife and Mccellean . Will be interesting to see if he actually goes to trial or not .
Any articles or documents about this? This case is fascinating
No articles the local paper kept up on the case at all. Outside of the indictment no documents have been released . I have a friend in cpd who told it's a cluster fuck. He gave me the names of the New York guys carmen was in contact with . Def a Interesting case

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by JCB1977 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:16 pm

Stroccos wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:30 am it appears the states case is slowly turning to shit. Remember the big display with all the mugshots, all the charges have been dropped agaisnt everyone except Carmine , his wife and Mccellean . Will be interesting to see if he actually goes to trial or not .
Any articles or documents about this? This case is fascinating

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Stroccos » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:30 am

it appears the states case is slowly turning to shit. Remember the big display with all the mugshots, all the charges have been dropped agaisnt everyone except Carmine , his wife and Mccellean . Will be interesting to see if he actually goes to trial or not .

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Stroccos » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:40 pm

angello removed from restrictions until trial in april. NO more gps montioring or weekly reporting to the PO, wonder he is going to roll the dice at trial

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Stroccos » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:35 pm

JCB1977 wrote:Agnello's case starting soon? Haven't had time to check much lately.
no its orginal trial date of mid sept has been pushed back. Wouldnt be surpsied to see some sort of plea soon , but the state may want to go for his balls because he is a made guy

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by chubby » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:55 pm

Scrap metal business brings in a lot of $$$$

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by JCB1977 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:58 pm

Agnello's case starting soon? Haven't had time to check much lately.

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Stroccos » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:50 am

JCB1977 wrote:
Pogo The Clown wrote:I don't know. If he was he certainly didn't get much out of it considering he spent almost 40 years of his life in prison and ended dying there.


Pogo
I would have to say that Lib was not a dry snitch in any way, shape or form. This guy has spent most of his life in prison and was the type of guy to spit on agents if they questioned him. He HATED any authority nor would he conform with anybody telling him what to do. He was easily one of the biggest earners for the Cleveland contingent for decades. He and Tony Milano were the most influential union racketeers along with Maishe Rockman in Cleveland history. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
Speaking of local 310 and its history of LCN affliation , Ron lucarelli has been back in 310 . Let me add he was a member before going to prison. and he is off the paper . Lets see if he stay out the mix ,

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by JCB1977 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:29 am

Stroccos wrote:
JCB1977 wrote:Maishe Rockman's kids, Frankie & Dylan, own two major auto body shops called Frankie & Dylan's Complete Collision and Custom Repair. Here's the website. They have two locations, one in Streetsboro and one in Mentor
I thought john scalish owned those and a rockman was his partner or ran the place

Rockman had three sons TOmmy , Tony and milton
Yes, Scalish's kids and Rockman's kids are first cousins, they all have a piece of it

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Stroccos » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:55 pm

JCB1977 wrote:Maishe Rockman's kids, Frankie & Dylan, own two major auto body shops called Frankie & Dylan's Complete Collision and Custom Repair. Here's the website. They have two locations, one in Streetsboro and one in Mentor
I thought john scalish owned those and a rockman was his partner or ran the place

Rockman had three sons TOmmy , Tony and milton

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by JCB1977 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:37 pm

Maishe Rockman's kids, Frankie & Dylan, own two major auto body shops called Frankie & Dylan's Complete Collision and Custom Repair. Here's the website. They have two locations, one in Streetsboro and one in Mentor

http://www.frankieanddylanscollision.net/

Re: Current Cleveland Scene + Carmine Angnello

by Stroccos » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:12 pm

JCB1977 wrote:
Stroccos wrote:Agnello dimed his kids for a lighter sentence lmao that be a great twist to the Gotti story .

Anyway agnello may be taking a last min plea as they delayed his trial start date .

Do you know if Agnello has met with any Cleveland guys? I would assume he knows Maishe Rockman's kids who own all the body shops around Mentor
I know he knows the Cleveland guys , Remeber he was friends with Ron Lucarelli from prison . He offered Ron a job at the scrapyard when he was released . I have no knowledge if he did any biz with the Cleveland crew .
Yeah i think of rockmans kids ran a scrap metal yard as well .

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