THE BLACK HAND FORUM

PolackTony wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 6:58 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:53 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 1:16 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 11:00 am

RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 9:36 am DiFronzo wasn't even involved in anything illegal when he confronted him that day. He was fully retired.

Agree to disagree on that. I think he was still consigliere or chairman of the board or whatever you want to call it. That "interview" happened in 2009. According to Goudie, Difronzo was said to meet at that restaurant every Friday at noon (which was secretly owned by Bobby Abbinante, by the way), and while Goudie didn't identify everyone present at the lunch, he did identify Marco D'Amico and the two other Difronzo bros as being present. Difronzo was also literally walking around the table at that lunch and serving everyone pizza himself. Always seemed like more than a lunch between old friends to me.

And they met at Chickies on Roosevelt up until he died. They stopped meeting at the Loon cafe after that and started going to Chickies. More about friends meeting then business but that’s not to say some schemes and orders didn’t come out of those meetings

The beef place near melrose?

The Original Chickie’s Beef on Roosevelt out in Hillside. Incidentally, Chickie’s is right down the road from the Sicilian restaurant where I strongly believe that the 1983 ceremony was held, located at Roosevelt and Wolf Rd across from Mt Carmel Cemetery (as fitting of a neighborhood as any for the occasion lol).

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 5:35 pm I can’t read that websites articles in my region.

funkster wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:53 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 1:16 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 11:00 am

RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 9:36 am DiFronzo wasn't even involved in anything illegal when he confronted him that day. He was fully retired.

Agree to disagree on that. I think he was still consigliere or chairman of the board or whatever you want to call it. That "interview" happened in 2009. According to Goudie, Difronzo was said to meet at that restaurant every Friday at noon (which was secretly owned by Bobby Abbinante, by the way), and while Goudie didn't identify everyone present at the lunch, he did identify Marco D'Amico and the two other Difronzo bros as being present. Difronzo was also literally walking around the table at that lunch and serving everyone pizza himself. Always seemed like more than a lunch between old friends to me.

And they met at Chickies on Roosevelt up until he died. They stopped meeting at the Loon cafe after that and started going to Chickies. More about friends meeting then business but that’s not to say some schemes and orders didn’t come out of those meetings

The beef place near melrose?

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 6:30 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 6:12 pm Did anyone watch Chuck Goudie’s state of the outfit video today? He interviewed the Special Agent in Charge of Chicago Doug DePodesta, who is originally from Chicago, and he says quote “The Outfit today is still very viable”. DePodesta goes on to say it is just less violent. Goudie also interviewed John Binder who says there are 4 crews left, Cicero, Chinatown, EP, and Grand. Interesting Frank Calabrese Jr was also interviewed and he says there is no organization left. Just a couple of guys.

I see the piece he did on the Giancana hit on NBC's website. Where is this other one?

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 6:12 pm Did anyone watch Chuck Goudie’s state of the outfit video today? He interviewed the Special Agent in Charge of Chicago Doug DePodesta, who is originally from Chicago, and he says quote “The Outfit today is still very viable”. DePodesta goes on to say it is just less violent. Goudie also interviewed John Binder who says there are 4 crews left, Cicero, Chinatown, EP, and Grand. Interesting Frank Calabrese Jr was also interviewed and he says there is no organization left. Just a couple of guys.

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 6:12 pm Did anyone watch Chuck Goudie’s state of the outfit video today? He interviewed the Special Agent in Charge of Chicago Doug DePodesta, who is originally from Chicago, and he says quote “The Outfit today is still very viable”. DePodesta goes on to say it is just less violent. Goudie also interviewed John Binder who says there are 4 crews left, Cicero, Chinatown, EP, and Grand. Interesting Frank Calabrese Jr was also interviewed and he says there is no organization left. Just a couple of guys.

Ivan wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:37 pm

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:01 pm I knew I was omitting something. That trial was allegedly very wild. Wasn’t the reason it was tossed was because the word “mafia” or “outfit”, “cosa nostra” or something similar to that was said aloud, and they couldn’t get anyone involved on wiretaps saying any of those words? The closest they came was Galione attaching an Italian flag emoji in a threatening text to a debtor

I believe the offending term was "organized crime." The judge had barred such talk as prejudicial. Article:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/03/ ... zed-crime/

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 1:16 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 11:00 am

RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 9:36 am DiFronzo wasn't even involved in anything illegal when he confronted him that day. He was fully retired.

Agree to disagree on that. I think he was still consigliere or chairman of the board or whatever you want to call it. That "interview" happened in 2009. According to Goudie, Difronzo was said to meet at that restaurant every Friday at noon (which was secretly owned by Bobby Abbinante, by the way), and while Goudie didn't identify everyone present at the lunch, he did identify Marco D'Amico and the two other Difronzo bros as being present. Difronzo was also literally walking around the table at that lunch and serving everyone pizza himself. Always seemed like more than a lunch between old friends to me.

And they met at Chickies on Roosevelt up until he died. They stopped meeting at the Loon cafe after that and started going to Chickies. More about friends meeting then business but that’s not to say some schemes and orders didn’t come out of those meetings

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 4:01 pm I knew I was omitting something. That trial was allegedly very wild. Wasn’t the reason it was tossed was because the word “mafia” or “outfit”, “cosa nostra” or something similar to that was said aloud, and they couldn’t get anyone involved on wiretaps saying any of those words? The closest they came was Galione attaching an Italian flag emoji in a threatening text to a debtor

Ivan wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 11:54 am

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 5:07 pm And Fratto, Dote, & Abbinanti are all free & living it up

Also Cassano just totally beat a case for hilarious deus ex machina reasons.

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 1:16 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 11:00 am

RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 9:36 am DiFronzo wasn't even involved in anything illegal when he confronted him that day. He was fully retired.

Agree to disagree on that. I think he was still consigliere or chairman of the board or whatever you want to call it. That "interview" happened in 2009. According to Goudie, Difronzo was said to meet at that restaurant every Friday at noon (which was secretly owned by Bobby Abbinante, by the way), and while Goudie didn't identify everyone present at the lunch, he did identify Marco D'Amico and the two other Difronzo bros as being present. Difronzo was also literally walking around the table at that lunch and serving everyone pizza himself. Always seemed like more than a lunch between old friends to me.

And they met at Chickies on Roosevelt up until he died. They stopped meeting at the Loon cafe after that and started going to Chickies. More about friends meeting then business but that’s not to say some schemes and orders didn’t come out of those meetings

Coloboy wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 11:00 am

RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 9:36 am DiFronzo wasn't even involved in anything illegal when he confronted him that day. He was fully retired.

Agree to disagree on that. I think he was still consigliere or chairman of the board or whatever you want to call it. That "interview" happened in 2009. According to Goudie, Difronzo was said to meet at that restaurant every Friday at noon (which was secretly owned by Bobby Abbinante, by the way), and while Goudie didn't identify everyone present at the lunch, he did identify Marco D'Amico and the two other Difronzo bros as being present. Difronzo was also literally walking around the table at that lunch and serving everyone pizza himself. Always seemed like more than a lunch between old friends to me.