by Little_Al1991 » Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:55 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:25 am
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:21 am
Isn't that what racketeering laws are all about? If I remember right from reading the Operation Heat affidavits, it wasn't that DiNapoli or Madonna were running the day to day operations. That was done primarily by associates. Soldiers, like Little Joe Perna, would oversee the operation, decide bettor limits, etc. But if investigators can prove that money from the operation is being sent to the administration in New York, and that they have overall control of the criminal organization, they can also be charged with the crimes their subordinates are hit with.
But unless someone flips it should be impossible to tie a Capo or higher. Associate runs the op, soldier oversees, Capo gets an envelope. Unless the Capo is involved, hands on, then they should never get done unless the soldier rolls.
My only conclusion is rackets are so far and rare these days, guys up to top are getting more and more involved to get a bigger piece of the pie. Because theres just nothing else coming in.
Like the Colombo bust recently. 3 Capos, a conisg all involved directly in extorting a union guy for a couple of grand a month.
Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:34 am
It’s worth noting that the investigation involved the FBI New York office which indicates that this could have something to do with a major Lucchese case.
It also could be simply because Georgie is involved?
I wouldn’t say that rackets are so far and rare these days because the admin of the five families seem to be pretty wealthy (from what we know) the activity on the street, while it’s not as profitable as it used to be, it still is generating vast amounts of money. Pennisi testified that during his time, the Lucchese family had 7 crews. Two in The Bronx, two on Long Island, one in Manhattan, one in New Jersey, and one Brooklyn crew which is located in the Totenville section of Staten Island. To have 7 Captain’s kicking up would lead to the admin receiving a sizeable chunk of cash, especially when you consider who they had as Capo’s
Back then, Carmine Avellino was a big earner,Dom Truscello was a Captain and another big earner and so was (and presumably still is) Anthony Blue, a notable longtime Capo. This indicates that the family was still making vasts amounts of money.
Vincent Ricciardo had been extorting the Union president since 2002, it was his primarily but then he was told to see if they could make a move into the union in its entirety. That’s what led to the bust. They also wanted 10k a month from the union. If Andy took 5k from that and left the rest to his Underboss and Consigliere, he’d be earning 60k from one racket alone.
You are right, it could be because George is involved, I didn’t think about it like that. My mind went onto that “blockbuster” racketeering case that Capeci mentioned in regards to DeSantis
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Isn't that what racketeering laws are all about? If I remember right from reading the Operation Heat affidavits, it wasn't that DiNapoli or Madonna were running the day to day operations. That was done primarily by associates. Soldiers, like Little Joe Perna, would oversee the operation, decide bettor limits, etc. But if investigators can prove that money from the operation is being sent to the administration in New York, and that they have overall control of the criminal organization, they can also be charged with the crimes their subordinates are hit with.
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But unless someone flips it should be impossible to tie a Capo or higher. Associate runs the op, soldier oversees, Capo gets an envelope. Unless the Capo is involved, hands on, then they should never get done unless the soldier rolls.
My only conclusion is rackets are so far and rare these days, guys up to top are getting more and more involved to get a bigger piece of the pie. Because theres just nothing else coming in.
Like the Colombo bust recently. 3 Capos, a conisg all involved directly in extorting a union guy for a couple of grand a month.
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It’s worth noting that the investigation involved the FBI New York office which indicates that this could have something to do with a major Lucchese case.
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It also could be simply because Georgie is involved?
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I wouldn’t say that rackets are so far and rare these days because the admin of the five families seem to be pretty wealthy (from what we know) the activity on the street, while it’s not as profitable as it used to be, it still is generating vast amounts of money. Pennisi testified that during his time, the Lucchese family had 7 crews. Two in The Bronx, two on Long Island, one in Manhattan, one in New Jersey, and one Brooklyn crew which is located in the Totenville section of Staten Island. To have 7 Captain’s kicking up would lead to the admin receiving a sizeable chunk of cash, especially when you consider who they had as Capo’s
Back then, Carmine Avellino was a big earner,Dom Truscello was a Captain and another big earner and so was (and presumably still is) Anthony Blue, a notable longtime Capo. This indicates that the family was still making vasts amounts of money.
Vincent Ricciardo had been extorting the Union president since 2002, it was his primarily but then he was told to see if they could make a move into the union in its entirety. That’s what led to the bust. They also wanted 10k a month from the union. If Andy took 5k from that and left the rest to his Underboss and Consigliere, he’d be earning 60k from one racket alone.
You are right, it could be because George is involved, I didn’t think about it like that. My mind went onto that “blockbuster” racketeering case that Capeci mentioned in regards to DeSantis