THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 1:18 pm

RushStreet wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 10:29 am Also remember a big reason why they haven't whacked Frank Junior or Gino is because Gravano and Frank Junior contributed to putting away guys that they wanted out of the families to begin with. Gotti was not well liked by many and same can be said of Calabrese Sr, and Marcello.

Marcello wasnt liked many? Never heard that before.

RushStreet wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 10:29 am Also remember a big reason why they haven't whacked Frank Junior or Gino is because Gravano and Frank Junior contributed to putting away guys that they wanted out of the families to begin with. Gotti was not well liked by many and same can be said of Calabrese Sr, and Marcello.

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 10:05 am

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 9:19 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 9:38 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 10:53 am The Frank Jr thing does surprise me sometimes that he caught virtually no repercussions from the outfit. Doing gangster tours and stuff. His family going down who really cares, but Lombardo and Marcello ended up in fucking Supermax for gods sake.

Chicago has always been a "what have you done for me lately" type of family. It's been strongly hinted that Lombardo was on the shelf when he was indicted and Marcello's powerbase had severely eroded by the time of his conviction. Sarno (and by extension, a lot of his guys) was probably happy to see him go away, especially after he (allegedly) had Marcello's top guy disappeared. All that said, it does appear that Frank Jr. isn't just someone who can walk into any place in the city and be treated like one of the guys, either.

The "mob" is what have you done for me lately everywhere. Even if your running book for someone. You can be a on
point with money every week for years. That one day your bag is short. Well... you gotta make it right, immediately. I feel like these who are involved should know that, going on. If they don't know that, they are either naive or ignorant. Either way its still their fault. Telling on your friends because of that is not the solution.
Frank JR, clearly had a drug problem. Playing it off like he wanted to piss dirty to get less time is just a false narrative he likes to spin to save face. Kurt sounds like he is scared of his own shadow. And Kurt knowing all the shit that Frank JR was doing, like "getting the whole neighborhood doing coke," why does he hid a duffle bag of money in the house and the only person he tells is Frank JR? None of it adds up.
The more they talk the less believable it is imo

I don’t know why people still think anything highly of either Calabreses punk kids. They’re a couple of unhinged junkies who absolutely loved the life and happily reaped the rewards from it. Kurt sounds like a bumbling mental patient when he speaks and junior is the definition of a grifter.

They also both still respect and hold allegiance to the outfit. People want to hear them talk about that and not their tired old tales of the cooperation, and they outright refuse to do it

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 9:19 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 9:38 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 10:53 am The Frank Jr thing does surprise me sometimes that he caught virtually no repercussions from the outfit. Doing gangster tours and stuff. His family going down who really cares, but Lombardo and Marcello ended up in fucking Supermax for gods sake.

Chicago has always been a "what have you done for me lately" type of family. It's been strongly hinted that Lombardo was on the shelf when he was indicted and Marcello's powerbase had severely eroded by the time of his conviction. Sarno (and by extension, a lot of his guys) was probably happy to see him go away, especially after he (allegedly) had Marcello's top guy disappeared. All that said, it does appear that Frank Jr. isn't just someone who can walk into any place in the city and be treated like one of the guys, either.

The "mob" is what have you done for me lately everywhere. Even if your running book for someone. You can be a on
point with money every week for years. That one day your bag is short. Well... you gotta make it right, immediately. I feel like these who are involved should know that, going on. If they don't know that, they are either naive or ignorant. Either way its still their fault. Telling on your friends because of that is not the solution.
Frank JR, clearly had a drug problem. Playing it off like he wanted to piss dirty to get less time is just a false narrative he likes to spin to save face. Kurt sounds like he is scared of his own shadow. And Kurt knowing all the shit that Frank JR was doing, like "getting the whole neighborhood doing coke," why does he hid a duffle bag of money in the house and the only person he tells is Frank JR? None of it adds up.
The more they talk the less believable it is imo

Snakes wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 9:38 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 10:53 am The Frank Jr thing does surprise me sometimes that he caught virtually no repercussions from the outfit. Doing gangster tours and stuff. His family going down who really cares, but Lombardo and Marcello ended up in fucking Supermax for gods sake.

Chicago has always been a "what have you done for me lately" type of family. It's been strongly hinted that Lombardo was on the shelf when he was indicted and Marcello's powerbase had severely eroded by the time of his conviction. Sarno (and by extension, a lot of his guys) was probably happy to see him go away, especially after he (allegedly) had Marcello's top guy disappeared. All that said, it does appear that Frank Jr. isn't just someone who can walk into any place in the city and be treated like one of the guys, either.

Ivan wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 7:00 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 5:37 pm I always find it interesting when people ask why the Gottis never killed Sammy, it would have been the dumbest move in the history of OC.

They were going to though, remember? Huck Carbonaro got like 80 years for it and some other stuff. Sammy got busted for drugs before they could act but they were going to do it.

RushStreet wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 6:47 am Why the feds would continue to give a fuck about Gravano is beyond me. Heres a guy that stabbed them in the back by continuing a criminal career while in the Witness protection program. Bottom line that drug bust was done on purpose to protect Gravano from being whacked. Not really sure who's cock hes sucking in the feds but its fucking pathetic and a disgrace they continue to make him untouchable.

funkster wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 5:37 pm I always find it interesting when people ask why the Gottis never killed Sammy, it would have been the dumbest move in the history of OC.

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 11:04 am

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 9:11 am The borsellino clan seem like absolute animals & clowns. Didn’t they beat some kid to death in the suburb of Lombard many years ago?

Is Joey borsellino the one with the kid who was a football player?

I recall that interview with Lewis years ago where he whined and cried about his precious lake house and various other luxuries getting taken away from him. He cried on camera about this

Lewis was a trader who had a great business going at one point - someone conned him out of it. It was interesting them and Boscarino brothers being so close at one point - both sets of brothers had their fathers killed by the Outfit. Both sets of brothers then continue to hang on the fringe and do business with these people. Never ceases to amaze me.

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 11:50 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 10:38 pm

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 9:15 am This JCosenza creep on YouTube has to be one of the biggest shameless groupies for mob guys out there no? What even is his connection to Chicago OC? He stalks them and compulsively attends trials.? What a strange man

Do you have a picture of this guy?

He has what is one of the most popular outfit YouTube channels, under the name JCosenza. Calls himself Jimmy Cosenza. His videos are mostly detailing the outfit trials he has attended throughout the years, which range from the Carlisi crew trial all the way up until the recent Cassano and Galione trial.

He’s a short fat guy who is basically illiterate and has really bad pronunciation issues. He has shared photos of himself with people like Carparelli, and claimed they are his buddies, but others say that he just stalks these guys and photo bombs their pictures.

He’s also infamous for defending the outfit to almost a creepy extent, telling people they’re dead and to stop paying them attention, but then in the same breath he will try and tell people who is who on the street.

Also gets upset whenever anyone suggests that the outfit was involved with drugs of any kind, which I find particularly strange