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Coloboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:56 am Such interesting stuff, Buffalo. These guys were not on my radar previously. It's why I chuckle when people say "they had 28 memebers in 2005, so they are almost gone". I'm not saying any of these guys are made members necessarily, just that the "network" is a lot larger than most people think.

PolackTony wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:45 am Nice photos.

I’d think that Carmine Jannece is dead by now; if not, he’d be turning 98 this year. I was not able to find any obituary or anything for him, though. What’s funny is that his family had already declared him legally dead back in ‘96 when he was charged for the 1991 Saugatuck heist. Of course, Jannece was living out in the open in the NW burbs under the name “Carmine Senese” for 17 years while being sought by the Feds. If he cooperated at all following his 2008 arrest, I have not seen any evidence of it at least.

cavita wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:22 pm

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:59 pm

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:39 am

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:14 pm Here’s an article about an outfit burglar Carmine Jannece that was a fugitive for 14 years. Never heard of him before. He was part of Bobby siegel’s crew

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/6143650 ... tid=Zxz2cZ

That's quite a story living in the open like that. I have to doubt these Italians in Chicago were inspired by Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze in Point Break however. I do have one question - was The Beak really related to Busy Siegel or is that something Goudie just added? I remember The Beak Siegel testifying during family secrets and was not aware he was related to Bugsy Siegel.

Just to follow up, some rare photos of these guys. Does anyone have information on whether Jannece passed away? My source believes he has but it was rumored he was cooperating with the government. My source also says Pat Mazza (who also goes by Cosmo) was likely affiliated with the Elmwood Park Crew. Apparently, Mazza financed a lot of their gambling and juice operations with his scores.

Any updates on Mazza?



Carmine Jannece prior to arrest



Francis 'Pat' Mazza (also goes by Cosmo)

I have nothing on Jannece, but I know Francis Patrick "Cosmo" Mazza was born 11/4/1951 and is/was hooked up with the Elmwood Park crew. I don't know how he's related to Joseph "Joey May" Mazza also of the EP crew, but I think Joey was also born in 1951 so he may be a cousin.

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:59 pm

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:39 am

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:14 pm Here’s an article about an outfit burglar Carmine Jannece that was a fugitive for 14 years. Never heard of him before. He was part of Bobby siegel’s crew

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/6143650 ... tid=Zxz2cZ

That's quite a story living in the open like that. I have to doubt these Italians in Chicago were inspired by Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze in Point Break however. I do have one question - was The Beak really related to Busy Siegel or is that something Goudie just added? I remember The Beak Siegel testifying during family secrets and was not aware he was related to Bugsy Siegel.

Just to follow up, some rare photos of these guys. Does anyone have information on whether Jannece passed away? My source believes he has but it was rumored he was cooperating with the government. My source also says Pat Mazza (who also goes by Cosmo) was likely affiliated with the Elmwood Park Crew. Apparently, Mazza financed a lot of their gambling and juice operations with his scores.

Any updates on Mazza?



Carmine Jannece prior to arrest



Francis 'Pat' Mazza (also goes by Cosmo)

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:39 am

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:14 pm Here’s an article about an outfit burglar Carmine Jannece that was a fugitive for 14 years. Never heard of him before. He was part of Bobby siegel’s crew

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/6143650 ... tid=Zxz2cZ

That's quite a story living in the open like that. I have to doubt these Italians in Chicago were inspired by Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze in Point Break however. I do have one question - was The Beak really related to Busy Siegel or is that something Goudie just added? I remember The Beak Siegel testifying during family secrets and was not aware he was related to Bugsy Siegel.

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:15 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:04 pm Same. He used to answer any questions you had for him via email. I cant remember if it was in one of his videos but i asked him about Joey Aiuppa and if he had an any day to day cause he was out for year before he died and he told me no, he was basically locked out by the admin at the time and that he used to eat raw onions like apples in prison.

Mags gave that story of Aiuppa in the MCC having the entire cell block clear out when he used the toilet on one of the videos - not necessarily bc of his power either Per Mags, he ate raw onions and raw garlic outside of prison - and was infamous for terrible breath and talking close, which Mags implied he enjoyed to fuck with people and it was a subtle (disgusting) power move.

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:15 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:04 pm Same. He used to answer any questions you had for him via email. I cant remember if it was in one of his videos but i asked him about Joey Aiuppa and if he had an any day to day cause he was out for year before he died and he told me no, he was basically locked out by the admin at the time and that he used to eat raw onions like apples in prison.

Mags gave that story of Aiuppa in the MCC having the entire cell block clear out when he used the toilet on one of the videos - not necessarily bc of his power either Per Mags, he ate raw onions and raw garlic outside of prison - and was infamous for terrible breath and talking close, which Mags implied he enjoyed to fuck with people and it was a subtle (disgusting) power move.

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:04 pm Same. He used to answer any questions you had for him via email. I cant remember if it was in one of his videos but i asked him about Joey Aiuppa and if he had an any day to day cause he was out for year before he died and he told me no, he was basically locked out by the admin at the time and that he used to eat raw onions like apples in prison.

Coloboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 6:48 pm It’s surprising to me that Fosco has never popped up in this forum. What an interesting day that would be.

Have any of you communicated directly with him?

Coloboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 6:48 pm It’s surprising to me that Fosco has never popped up in this forum. What an interesting day that would be.

Have any of you communicated directly with him?