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Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:07 am
It begs the question, what does "mob connected" mean when there is no mob to speak of? And besides that drug case above, which was from the early 1990's if I'm not mistaken, even the 2004 investigation was 20 years ago. I really wish you guys would become more familiar with the last vestiges of activity of other families around the country. You'd see Buffalo is a carbon copy of those.

NickleCity wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:52 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:40 pm
I'm not dismissing WIVB, per se. I disagree with automatically believing Messechia must be made simply because someone else said he claimed to be. Whatever you think of the Niagara Falls Reporter, how it's covered the Buffalo LCN over the past 20 years tracks with bulk of other information.

I wouldn't say it corresponds with all the information that has come out about Buffalo mob connected DTO"s. In fact information out in court shows possible continuance of connections in the Serio/Masecchia organization to other mob connected DTO's going back 30+ years. I've written about many of these DTO's on this board in the past. Here is a summary taken from X account:


Buffalo Mob
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Mar 22, 2022
1 of 15: Soho Restaurant used to host Christmas parties for DEA Buffalo Resident offices according to court documents in the Bongiovanni public corruption case and indicates a former owner is part of the investigation.
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Mar 22, 2022
2 of 15: The Soho was opened by three partners. The Buffalo News writes: Those involved... are Johnnie Amoia, Frank Parisi and Angelo Natale Jr. Amoia and Parisi will be the operators, and Natale will be an investor.
From buffalonews.com
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Mar 22, 2022
3 of 15: Members of the Amoia family has long been rumored to have ties to the Buffalo mafia and drug trafficking. In 1990 Joseph Amoia was identified as and associate of the Buffalo mob. The Buffalo News writes: "On March 20, police in Las Vegas arrested [3] men identified as...
Buffalo Mob
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Mar 22, 2022
4 of 15: ...Buffalo natives and associates of the Buffalo mob. The men -- Louis Giambrone, 40, and Joseph Amoia, 34, both of Amherst, and Lawrence Panaro, 38, now of Las Vegas -- were charged with possession of cocaine worth $64,000."
From buffalonews.com
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Mar 22, 2022
5 of 15: Sam Amoia the grandson of former mob boss Sam Pierri was implicated in telemarketing scams run by the Buffalo mafia. In 1993 the Buffalo News wrote: "Samuel Amoia Jr., the grandson of former Buffalo mob boss Sam Pieri, is secretary-treasurer of LoMoia Enterprises...
Buffalo Mob
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Mar 22, 2022
6 of 15: ...at 1300 Hertel Ave. Amoia served a prison term for dealing cocaine in 1988. His brother Joseph faces cocaine charges in Las Vegas.
From buffalonews.com
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Mar 22, 2022
7 of 15: Joe Amoia got off his 1990 arrest for having 9 lbs of cocaine but his cousin Mark Amoia wasn't so lucky. served time for a federal drug case. In 1994 The Buffalo News wrote this: "Joseph Amoia, 38, a Buffalo native who has been working in telemarketing in Las Vegas...
Buffalo Mob
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Mar 22, 2022
8 of 15: ...Amoia was charged with possession of nine pounds of cocaine in Las Vegas in 1990, but a Nevada judge dismissed the charge, saying police had acted improperly. Mark Amoia, 44, Joseph Amoia's cousin, now serving time in a federal drug case."
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9 of 15: Jospeh Amoia was also accused of trying to have Andrew "Babe" Novino killed over a dispute regarding drug money. In 1998 the Buffalo New wrote: "Michael Graziadei, a former drug kingpin who is now in prison, and admitted drug dealer Andrew "Babe" Novino told jurors...
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Buffalo Mob
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Mar 22, 2022
10 of 15:" ...that Amoia was involved in large-scale drug dealings with them and others.Novino also claimed that in the mid-1980s, Amoia tried to hire one of Novino's close friends to kill him because of a dispute over drug money. Novino said his friend came to him and told him..
Buffalo Mob
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Mar 22, 2022
11 of 15: ...Amoia offered him $5,000 to perform the "hit." Here is the article in the Buffalo News:
From buffalonews.com
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Mar 22, 2022
12 of 15: Also, remember Judge Grisanti is related by marriage to the Amoia's and Vacanti's and his stepsons are rumored to have been involved in the murder of Monty Masimmi by Sam Vacanti according to posters on the now defunct Topix Forum.
Buffalo Mob
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Mar 22, 2022
13 of 15: It is alleged that Adam Amoia was an accessory to the Massimi murder, and that John Amoia received the murder weapon. The murderer, Sammy Vacanti gave the murder weapon to John Amoia who buried it behind the swimming pool at Grisanti's home.
Buffalo Mob
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Mar 22, 2022
14 of 15: The weapon was later unearthed and given back to Sam Vacanti and Adam Amoia (allegedly with Sam and David Gambino the night of the murder). The murder weapon was never found by the authorities.
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Mar 22, 2022
15 of 15: Robert Vacanti was arrested with an Amoia when the 9 people were indicted operations of the Suburban Drug Ring. Vacanit was a Buffalo property appraiser living in Vegas. See
From buffalonews.com
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Dec 8
16… Bobby Panaro was, also, an owner of Soho Restaurant. He was a target of a IOC related DEA investigation in Vegas in 2004 forward. His co-owner Frank Parisi was part of the Serio drug trafficking organization. Co-owner Amoia has had family involved in past too!

For the X thread with supporting documentation see: https://x.com/MobBuffalo/status/1506358043436589059

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:40 pm
I'm not dismissing WIVB, per se. I disagree with automatically believing Messechia must be made simply because someone else said he claimed to be. Whatever you think of the Niagara Falls Reporter, how it's covered the Buffalo LCN over the past 20 years tracks with bulk of other information.

NickleCity wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:09 pmAll I did was take a screen shot of lead prosecutor Tripi’s opinion and statement as reported by WIVB in Buffalo.

Do you think that information is irrelevant and would prefer that it wasn’t shared? Do you think prosecutor Tripi should not have that opinion or share it?

I can’t control the font size on a screenshot. Sorry … I would do better if I could, LOL.

And it does seem like a probable mob connected DTO moved a lot of product for at least a decade and is alleged to have paid off LE to keep from being detected.

Then there is Gerace who appears to have all kinds of LE in his pocket. …My point is if alleged IOC members and associates like Gerace, Masecchia, and Serio can do this … others likely can too.

NickleCity wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:02 pm ^^^
I find it very interesting that Wiseguy is quick to dismiss a reputable news source like WIVB in Buffalo and quick to embrace the musings of an opinion rag called the Niagara Falls Reporter known to write stories for specific people and purposes.

Additionally, Wiseguy is quick to dismiss what prosecutors and federal LE said on record in court but highlight what an anonymous FBI source is alleged to have told Mike Hudson, the owner of the Niagara Falls Reporter, references in his article about the Buffalo crime family being basically dead.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:45 pm

NickleCity wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 7:12 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:12 pm Who's "everyone?" And what exactly is Hudson's "agenda?" Whatever you think of the paper, it's citing the FBI as a source. So it's really the FBI we're talking about.

Hudson was a crime family associate according to an excellent source of mine. His agenda was to promote people, stories, and development the mob wanted. This source says he was controlled by high level Associate James “aka Harry” Williams, Sammy and Butch Quarcini of local 91, and Vic Sansanese. Source, also, indicated Coppola was close to Hudson.

Not going to name my source… so feel free to take what I tell you with a grain of salt. I’ve posted about Buffalo area papers and Hudson being an associate before: viewtopic.php?p=246191&hilit=Hudson+Buffalo#p246191

And we have newspaper people on the payroll, don't we, Tom? They might like a story like that.

NickleCity wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:44 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:45 pm And we have newspaper people on the payroll, don't we, Tom? They might like a story like that.

LOL… Love that movie. But here is the deal:
1. The Niagara Falls Reporter is and always has been opinion journalism that was free and distributed to restaurants, bars, etc… you’d pick up a copy and read while waiting for your pizza.



2. As an opinion rag it has never been objective.



3. It has never had the respect of real journalists. Just asked Jim Heaney of The Investigative Post and formerly of the Buffalo News. Or take a look at what has been written about it at the prestigious Columbia Journalism Review. This will get you started: https://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/nia ... porter.php

4. The Niagara Falls Reporter is very much like Ricchiazzi’s The Buffalo Chronically. As a matter of fact Ricchiazzi commented on Peter Gerace’s Facebook post ripping Katrina Nigro and offered his support and saying to let him know of the Buffalo Chronicle could be of service to him.



Even the Toronto Star called Richiazzi’s “paper” out: https://www.thestar.com/news/investigat ... 2f516.html

5. And you know who two of the biggest advertisers for The Buffalo Chronicle are, don’t you? Todaro’s LaNova and the local Reservations who are tied in via tobacco and other endeavors.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:50 pm

NickleCity wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:38 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:10 pm
One DEA agent taking payoffs doesn't equate to crime families in Buffalo and Detroit having the ability to pay off enough officials to escape prosecution for decades while moving significant amounts of drugs into the country.

And it's not about "sucking anyone's left nut." It's about being informed and having a grasp on reality.

Although it’s not proven that all these copes where in Gerace’s back pocket, it is awfully suspicious. Is there more than one way to payoff LE? Does it always have to involve money?

No, it can involve all sorts of things. If you're arguing for corruption among some members of law enforcement in Buffalo, I don't doubt it.

On a side note, regarding your huge font post regarding Messechia on the previous page, which is as unnecessary as it is obnoxious, it's not as convincing as some of you seem to think it is. For instance, the standard FBI criteria for identifying a made member is 1) two known made members independently verifying someone is made, or 2) someone being identified as a made member through surveillance like a bug or wiretap.

What we have in this Buffalo case is an associate (if you can even call him that) testifying that Messechia claimed he was made. Big difference. But I understand why you guys are quick to accept it.

NickleCity wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:38 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:10 pm
One DEA agent taking payoffs doesn't equate to crime families in Buffalo and Detroit having the ability to pay off enough officials to escape prosecution for decades while moving significant amounts of drugs into the country.

And it's not about "sucking anyone's left nut." It's about being informed and having a grasp on reality.

Although it’s not proven that all these copes where in Gerace’s back pocket, it is awfully suspicious. Is there more than one way to payoff LE? Does it always have to involve money?

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:10 pm
One DEA agent taking payoffs doesn't equate to crime families in Buffalo and Detroit having the ability to pay off enough officials to escape prosecution for decades while moving significant amounts of drugs into the country.

And it's not about "sucking anyone's left nut." It's about being informed and having a grasp on reality.

NickleCity wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:53 am

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:12 pm I get it Masecchia is made.Buffalo mob may be a bit stronger then people thought. But highlighting what he said in his guilty plea does not provide evidence for me imo. Alot of statements like that are boiler plate statements you are ordered to make in order to plead guilty. Alot of times they will not accept your plea if you do not admit to it.

I understand what you are saying but Tripi is referring to Lou Selva and especially Ron Serio’s testimony. In particular Serio testified that Masecchia told him he is a made man and Ron asked how he could become a made to which Masecchia replied, “Shutup and keep making money.” People can always say that was Masecchia made it up… but we have a cooperator indicating what he was told.